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Old 27th June 2008, 22:01   #1361 (permalink)

 
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There's some more of the Aerobytes announcement that I think bears repeating on PPRuNe.

Eddie Forrester (MD) goes on to say
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For me personally, the most important point is that a group of dedicated individuals managed to perform the 'impossible'.

Inevitably, the doubters have always been lurking in the shadows - all too quick to write this off as another impossible dream and assert that none of us should waste time with intangible and abstract things such as aspirations, visions or fantasies. I strongly believe that this type of negative-thinking is slowly strangling our society and that it accounts for many commercial and personal failures in the UK every day. It helps to explain why we can no longer produce miracles of engineering like Concorde or TSR2.

Consequently, I am proud beyond words that the Vulcan team has weathered the storm and now has something so beautiful and so noisy with which to send doubters scuttling back under their rocks for a long time to come.

I sincerely hope that young people over the coming years will see this aircraft, learn how she was saved and be inspired. I want them to learn that 'impossible' normally means 'lazy', 'excuse' or 'no imagination' and that they are entirely capable of achieving just about anything so long as they apply enough intelligence, imagination and courage.

In short, we are very proud to support the return of XH558 to the sky as magnificent proof that 'impossible' is a much over-used word. This is a lesson that tomorrow's engineers and managers will hopefully remember and apply in later life."
Vim Fuego - sad to say, you're partly right about Waddo. With some very good will from CAA (in allowing a ferry flight), she may be there, but she won't be permitted to fly a display.

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Old 27th June 2008, 22:05   #1362 (permalink)
 
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Damn right, airsound - and what a fine chap Eddie 'Vulcan' Forrester certainly is!

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I want them to learn that 'impossible' normally means 'lazy', 'excuse' or 'no imagination' and that they are entirely capable of achieving just about anything so long as they apply enough intelligence, imagination and courage.
And, in Tombstone's case, a rectal rose. Allegedly. He bottled out of supplying the proof, so is clearly not a gentleman who honours his word.

Unlike 'Our Eddie'!
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Old 28th June 2008, 01:51   #1363 (permalink)
 
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BEagle,

PLEASE! Let your obsession with this young man's bottom go..................
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Old 28th June 2008, 10:54   #1364 (permalink)
 
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Eddie posted this over at TVOC forums regarding displays:

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Originally Posted by eddief
Based on everything I know:-

Waddington = possible but only static

Fairford = probable display

Farnborough = almost certain display

Dunsfold = certain display (my home village)
Seeing the Vulcan over Dunsfold is going to be rather special.
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Old 29th June 2008, 19:25   #1365 (permalink)
 
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Airsound,

Why so definite the Vulcan won't be allowed to fly at Waddington??

TVOC have a "Serviceable" aircraft, the organisers are expecting us, we have personnel and materiel allocated and plans made. We intend to take her home after a very long absence, all we require is:

1. CAA Permit to Fly.
2. Display Authority for pilot/s.

Assuming MA have submitted the paperwork, the above could still be achievable with CAA co-operation.

We live in hope, but it is a paperwork exercise and is genuinely beyond our control.
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Old 29th June 2008, 20:29   #1366 (permalink)
 
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Permit to Fly

Can someone explain to me why a Vulcan bomber is allowed to do several test flights in a bid to get a permit to fly, but then has to sit on the ground after successfully completing it's test flight programme waiting for a permit to fly?

Airsound mentions the possibility of an appearance at Waddo with some goodwill from the CAA to allow a ferry flight. So what's the difference is doing a transit flight to Waddo AFTER successful completion of a test flight programme, and doing ferryflights to Cottesmore for a compass swing DURING a test flight programme?

Sorry, but this doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
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Old 29th June 2008, 20:57   #1367 (permalink)
 
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Flights undertaken as part of a test flight programme to gain certification or permit are an essential part of the process. Any other flight is not, and requires dispensation.

We are hopefully assuming that the Vulcan test flight programme was successful, but won't know for certain until all the paperwork has been scrutinised and the permit has been granted.
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Old 30th June 2008, 15:10   #1368 (permalink)
 
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Departure to Waddington 14.00hrs Thursday 3rd July. No confirmation that it will be airbourne for the air show weekend though!
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Old 1st July 2008, 20:04   #1369 (permalink)
 
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F1 British GP Silverstone
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Old 1st July 2008, 21:03   #1370 (permalink)
 
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Now that would be something special..................
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Old 2nd July 2008, 08:03   #1371 (permalink)

 
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Why so definite the Vulcan won't be allowed to fly at Waddington??
You're partly right, BB - I should have remembered one enduring facet of the Vulcan project. It's like the British wx - if you don't like it, stick around, and it'll be different.

When I posted on 27 June, I chose the word 'permitted' carefully. I was distinguishing between the Permit to Fly, which, with good will, looks like happening in good time, and the Display Authorisation, which last week looked practically impossible in time for the show.

Now, without in any way committing myself, or anyone else come to that, I now believe it might be slightly less than impossible. I'm not sure I'd dare go firm on a definite maybe, but.....

I think I should give up forecasting. And stick around in case things get to be different

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Old 2nd July 2008, 14:42   #1372 (permalink)
 
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Just been announced on BBC East Midlands Today (live at Bruntingthorpe)that permission has been granted to fly to Waddo tomorrow.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 14:55   #1373 (permalink)
 
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yeah
i saw it to
great news, now i dont have to get up at 3 in the morning and drive to RIAT!
filmed it when it made the last flight over RAF cottesmore in the 90's when it "retired" but managed to miss all the test flights since the rebuild!
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Old 2nd July 2008, 16:13   #1374 (permalink)
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And a bit more.

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Breaking news live on BBC EMT
Vulcan xh558 has at 13:35 been cleared by the CAA for airshow displays and will be appearing at this weekends RAF Waddington airshow along with RIAT and Farnborough later on.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 07:30   #1375 (permalink)
 
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Well done to all who made this possible. I look forward to arranging a trip back to the UK that coincides with one of the displays as I need to have some dental fillings shaken out.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 07:37   #1376 (permalink)
 
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That just indicates the a/c has been cleared by the CAA to fly to Waddo for static display as we expected........

But.........can the pilots get a DA in time to display.......less likely, but should do by RIAT I would have thought.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 07:43   #1377 (permalink)
 
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Maybe they can do the DA on Friday? Would the CAA be on site or do they not get involved in MOD run air shows?
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Old 2nd July 2008, 08:17   #1378 (permalink)
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It is not a question of MoD run displays. Plenty of civvy aircraft there, and all come under CAA regs.

A DA authority/approval is given only after the examiner has 'tasted' the display.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 09:19   #1379 (permalink)
 
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Suggest checking this - it's updated at 01.00hrs each night.

GINFO Search Results | Aircraft Register | Safety Regulation
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Old 2nd July 2008, 11:59   #1380 (permalink)
 
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Got told at work today that Waddington should be doing some sort of press release tomorrow w.r.t. 558 - should get some more info then.

This was after the BBC news link BBC NEWS | England | Vulcan may join ground show appeared.

Over on the Tvoc forums there seems to be a bet going for having 'Welcome home' painted on the runway
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