Happy birthday 146
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Happy birthday 146
On Sunday 3rd September the 146 will have notched up 25 years flying since the first flight on 3rd Sptember 1981, with Peter Sedgwick and Mike Goodfellow in the flight deck of E1001. Will she make another 25?
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I hope not.
It can't fly fast and achieve anything like the 737 in payload and range terms, even though it has 2 more "engines".
Lets retire the thing now!
It always gets in my way and slows us down.
It can't fly fast and achieve anything like the 737 in payload and range terms, even though it has 2 more "engines".
Lets retire the thing now!
It always gets in my way and slows us down.
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I must say I do enjoy flying the 146 even though the climb performance is pitiful at high weights on the hot days. Its probably as close as your going to get to real flying in an airliner these days.
After all, who needs EFIS, EICAS or autothrottles?
After all, who needs EFIS, EICAS or autothrottles?
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A shame it seems to be disliked. As a child, our back garden looked out onto the old BAe site at Hatfield, I recall watching them fly around in the green just off the line look, being tested, filmed & all sorts. Happy memories really & I always thought it a looker.
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Happy Birthday small Jumbo!
I remember you flying in into Nanjing Airport the first time! the other birds were the Tridents! (do yo rmember the offset front Landing gear retracting sideways?)
Happy birthday small jumbo with your 4 small textron Laycoming jets engines
(ALF502 R?) and your terrifc noise when the flaps were lowered and in some way the airflow was creating a very scaring sound..
I remember you flying in into Nanjing Airport the first time! the other birds were the Tridents! (do yo rmember the offset front Landing gear retracting sideways?)
Happy birthday small jumbo with your 4 small textron Laycoming jets engines
(ALF502 R?) and your terrifc noise when the flaps were lowered and in some way the airflow was creating a very scaring sound..
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Hi,
Now don't be nasty about what we at BMC called the 'cockroach'
It is a great first jet,nice to fly and very flexible and i spent a happy 1800hrs on it !And of course it is the last British airliner,
But I expect the kids of today would n't be interested cos it has no EFIS,FADEC etc ......
Now don't be nasty about what we at BMC called the 'cockroach'
It is a great first jet,nice to fly and very flexible and i spent a happy 1800hrs on it !And of course it is the last British airliner,
But I expect the kids of today would n't be interested cos it has no EFIS,FADEC etc ......
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I flew the BAE 146 for a little while. I recall the odd sort of spinning ice detetor device.
I recall making a 3 engine ferry in my first few weeks on the plane.
I also recall that a normal landing felt like a grease job and a grease job landing was so smooth you really didn't know you were on the ground until the mechanism allowed reducing power to the ground range.
This air frame was built like a tank. The engines were marginal at first. putting electrics on half the engines and pneumatics on the other half, well what can I say? Hydraulically powered standby electric generator...what can I say?
I do think this plane has a place in modern flying. I think it is a better plane than the CRJ that crashed in Lexington ky.
Our airline routinely operated this type (bae146) into very short runway airports, using less than half of those short ( >4000) runways.
Slow inflight, slow landing and takeoff speeds make for safety. We lost one when a nut got into the cockpit and shot both pilots dead...some say the plane went supersonic prior to crash.
A plane to be respected, if not to get all hot and bothered about. Not my first jet, not my favorite, but it never rolled over with a rudder hardover!
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I recall making a 3 engine ferry in my first few weeks on the plane.
I also recall that a normal landing felt like a grease job and a grease job landing was so smooth you really didn't know you were on the ground until the mechanism allowed reducing power to the ground range.
This air frame was built like a tank. The engines were marginal at first. putting electrics on half the engines and pneumatics on the other half, well what can I say? Hydraulically powered standby electric generator...what can I say?
I do think this plane has a place in modern flying. I think it is a better plane than the CRJ that crashed in Lexington ky.
Our airline routinely operated this type (bae146) into very short runway airports, using less than half of those short ( >4000) runways.
Slow inflight, slow landing and takeoff speeds make for safety. We lost one when a nut got into the cockpit and shot both pilots dead...some say the plane went supersonic prior to crash.
A plane to be respected, if not to get all hot and bothered about. Not my first jet, not my favorite, but it never rolled over with a rudder hardover!
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FTD and SV,
The original 146 certainly lacked some of the toys. However, the RJ series has all the modern gadgets like EFIS, FADEC, EGPWS, autothrottles, Cat3B autoland, etc. In addition, it also has a more 'user-friendly' autopilot Mode Contol Panel (MCP) and Thrust Rating Panel (TRP).
I enjoyed flying the RJ - just a shame it didn't have a bit more thrust.
The original 146 certainly lacked some of the toys. However, the RJ series has all the modern gadgets like EFIS, FADEC, EGPWS, autothrottles, Cat3B autoland, etc. In addition, it also has a more 'user-friendly' autopilot Mode Contol Panel (MCP) and Thrust Rating Panel (TRP).
I enjoyed flying the RJ - just a shame it didn't have a bit more thrust.
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There is a low key ceremony at Cranfield, the home of E3001 (ex E1001) this weekend.
"Peter Sedgwick and Mike Goodfellow in the flight deck of E1001"
Also on the flight where Roger de Mercado and Ron Hammond, the flight test engineers, who where sat in the back.
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"Peter Sedgwick and Mike Goodfellow in the flight deck of E1001"
Also on the flight where Roger de Mercado and Ron Hammond, the flight test engineers, who where sat in the back.
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Hmmmm,
those flaps made a right racket going down,they also looked quite odd from the cabin - I once had a passenger draw them and hand us his picture because he was convinced they were broken.
I know the RJ has all the gadjets - Is that why some of the pilots get a bit touchy when you say,'oh,you're on the 146 eh ?' !
those flaps made a right racket going down,they also looked quite odd from the cabin - I once had a passenger draw them and hand us his picture because he was convinced they were broken.
I know the RJ has all the gadjets - Is that why some of the pilots get a bit touchy when you say,'oh,you're on the 146 eh ?' !
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Will it last another 25yrs? - bear in mind that Flightline are using them to ferry offshore workers from Aberdeen to Scatsta. Prior to Flightline there was the BAF contract from Aberdeen to Sumburgh using the Viscount - I'm sure they were nearing 50 years old when they were retired. Another 25 yrs?....hell, why not.
And as for -
'It can't fly fast and achieve anything like the 737 in payload and range terms, even though it has 2 more "engines".
Horses for courses mate, lets see a 737 land on 1300 x 31 metre runway with a 28 knot cross wind
And as for -
'It can't fly fast and achieve anything like the 737 in payload and range terms, even though it has 2 more "engines".
Horses for courses mate, lets see a 737 land on 1300 x 31 metre runway with a 28 knot cross wind
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Will it last another 25 years?... probably! E3001 only had about 6000hrs on the clock when it was converted to the Met research aircraft, the fleet leader has nearly 50k on the clock. The last RJ was delivered only two years ago so it's likely to be around for a few years yet.
Pity it was such a political toy and the money that was spent on it's later development didn't solve some of the basic problems. It's certainly kept me in work over the last 20 years and it's always nice to see E3001 as I spent many happy hours looking after it at Woodford.
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Pity it was such a political toy and the money that was spent on it's later development didn't solve some of the basic problems. It's certainly kept me in work over the last 20 years and it's always nice to see E3001 as I spent many happy hours looking after it at Woodford.
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hi ukpax
It happend on a 1300m RWY or even shorter with 142 Pax and loooots of wind in the old days of JMK in greece and other fency places. And it was fun to us when new LHS and hair was still coloured.
History has yet to determine the effect that the 146 will have had on the industry. Jet flights into LCY, Berne, Lugarno, Paro, Aspen, Orange County, Bromma, Queenstown, Vargar. The 146 pioneered European low noise night freight.
First UK/JAA aircraft certification, first ‘super fail passive’ Cat 3B certification (150m/50ft), first jet transport steep approach certification.
The flap noise represents ‘lift’; the wing design still provides the highest CL Max for any civil jet.
Until you have flown one you don’t appreciate what a good aerodynamics and control feels like – it’s manual control, it doesn’t need any fancy electronic fixes.
Are there any other jet transports in service without vortex generators? N.B the 146 has wing leading edge ‘stall breakers’ and nothing more.
I may have overlooked many highlights, I hope that there are more to come; unfortunately I have run out of time before the 146 has.