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Old 25th Jun 2003, 17:44   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question Qantas A330's and B777's

Have heard the rumour today that QF is deferring delivery on new A330's (which is probably old news) and contemplates leasing B777's from Cathay that has them sitting around doing nothing.

Anyone heard anything similar?
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Old 25th Jun 2003, 18:32   #2 (permalink)

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Nope!

But whilst we're on the subject of the QF A330's, does anyone know if they are still prone to "shimmying" down the back? Are the FA's still getting airsick??
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Old 25th Jun 2003, 18:35   #3 (permalink)
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I very much doubt that QF will lease any 777s from CX. Cathay has announced return to full schedule by end of September.
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Old 25th Jun 2003, 19:51   #4 (permalink)
 
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In QF the rumour has it that things will almost be back to normal by September.
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Old 25th Jun 2003, 21:32   #5 (permalink)
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Buster,
Funny you bring that up. I think Airbuses have ashimmying problem on taxi on alot of their Big Jets. The A310 s Ive been on as pax do and also the A340-300s that Ive been on as well, A320 is ok though. Why is this any Airbus guys give us the answer?

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Old 26th Jun 2003, 06:46   #6 (permalink)
 
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Ra Ta - the schedules will be back to normal , yes , but 1500 or so jobs less.
A calculated ploy by management to "rationalise" the workforce using a slight downturn as an excuse , knowing full well that things would return to normal at some stage.
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Old 26th Jun 2003, 07:31   #7 (permalink)
 
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funbags this has happened before and a year or two down the track the numbers are back up to the original or have grown.
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Old 26th Jun 2003, 07:37   #8 (permalink)
 
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QF A330

Latest is QF A330-300's are to be
brought forward to as soon as possible and that A330 will be exclusively Trans-Tasman from Oct03.


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Old 26th Jun 2003, 15:21   #9 (permalink)
 
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A330-300s to be fitted with new skybeds.

If you look at the IATA schedule conference schedules, it confirms that A330-200s will be exclusively (or almost exclusively) on trans-tasman.
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Old 26th Jun 2003, 16:32   #10 (permalink)
 
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Buster

I would be interested in hearing more about "shimmy down the back"
I believe it used to be said privately by Boeing Engineers that the limiting factor in the design of A/C larger than the 74 was the lateral pendulum effect. Is this what you are referring to?
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Old 26th Jun 2003, 18:11   #11 (permalink)
 
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Hey Guys

I can confirm the A330 does have a "Shimmy prob" down the back. I have flown on this AC many times now and feel sick just thinking about it. I have flown on many AC types and have never had a prob but this is the first aircraft that I have physcially been sick on (and no Im not pregnant). The solution work up the front.
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Old 26th Jun 2003, 20:13   #12 (permalink)

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Spotlight.

I can't even pretend to be that technically minded! This subject was mentioned to me by one of the QF gingerbeers quite early in the deployment. His comments were much the same as Galley hags, that being that the crews were complaining, along with the punters....
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Old 27th Jun 2003, 05:22   #13 (permalink)
 
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The longer the arm the greater the moment, exponentially. Go too big and you end up needing a rudder five hundred feet high.

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Old 27th Jun 2003, 08:08   #14 (permalink)

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I suppose that this "shouldn't" be a problem then for the A380. One can only wonder about the A340-600?
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Errrr, Spotlight, I think it may be the other way around.

The longer the fuselage, the greater the moment. Therefore the larger the plane, everything else being equal, the smaller the empennage needed.

You could see this if you get say a 737-500 alongside a 737-400: the -500 should have a bigger tail. (not that I've done this...)
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Old 27th Jun 2003, 15:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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The longer the fuselage (arm) the greater the moment. Err thats what I thed diddily.

Seriously though, this is what I assumed has been the reason for Boeings reluctance to commit to super Jumbos, rather than the problems with long delays at customs, runway lengths etc.
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Old 27th Jun 2003, 15:34   #17 (permalink)
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I've never heard a complaint about the CX A330 or A340 fleet. Nor the B777-200 or 300 which has a longer fuselage than the bus. Sounds like the QF A330 has a dutch roll problem?
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QF A330 (almost) Check and Trainer told to tread water and put in a bid for B777. Comes from high up 737 totem pole.
You heard it here first
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Look out also for an order of 15-20 737-900X's very soon.
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Old 28th Jun 2003, 10:02   #20 (permalink)
 
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That will be interesting. As a QF Short Haul F/A I am currently endorsed on B737-300/400/800, B767-200/300 and A330-200/300. Can anybody share any light as to how many aircraft we can be endorsed on legally. I too have heard B737-900s to come.

And yes the A330 sways down the back a little. Have worked R4 and L4 several times, cant get used to it.
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