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Old 9th May 2024, 09:46
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Originally Posted by deja vu
It was a question, you know, I was asking something. If you know the answer just spit it out, does that make sense.
I answered the question, Virgin Australia bought Tiger for $1, FFS

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$1.00 for 40% of Tiger PLUS their debt is the true cost.
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It was an easy exit option for SQ, they needed to get rid of it, but didn’t want to admit defeat and shut it, while being the main kingmaker in the Borghetti fantasy, they made him take it. He didn’t have a choice, he didn’t want it, but he needed the cash from SQ also. It was all about saving face in the end for the Singaporeans.

Tiger should have been executed a decade prior to when it was. Not that it would have prevented the Virgin bankruptcy, but it wouldn’t have screwed around with so many careers.
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Which airline that Qantas directly competes against is not owned and regulated by a government? SQ , EK , mainland Chinese carriers , Turkish airlines ? The Americans have strong protections in place . The Australian government understand this and they have to support Qantas to a mm of the law and more if required . That’s why Qantas is the most secure career followed by which ever airline is second , never the third one .
Same goes for the banks .
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QF’s only direct competitor is VA. Not much government ownership there.
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Old 9th May 2024, 21:37
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A good review of the Bonza saga:https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/139...etails-surface
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Old 9th May 2024, 22:49
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Originally Posted by lucille
QF’s only direct competitor is VA. Not much government ownership there.
Other than the 30 or 40 international competitors…..
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Old 9th May 2024, 23:12
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QF’s only direct competitor is VA. Not much government ownership there.
Probably worth noting that pre-Bain, VA was effectively owned by a trio of government-owned / government-majority-owned airlines, in EY, SQ and HU.
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Old 10th May 2024, 04:59
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Total debt will be between $120-130m it seems.

No airline has burnt so much cash in the available timeframe like this has. Holey Moley.

Looks like Airports are owed a fair bit. Nauru airlines also, so that was another lie from Timbo.

Plus some strange statement from the him

A message to creditors from Bonza chief executive Tim Jordan was read out at the start of the meeting, reflecting on the airline’s short-lived operations.

He said Bonza realised his dream of democratising air travel in Australia, and since January 2023 the airline had carried almost one million customers to 22 destinations.

“It’s therefore very hard to balance this with how we find ourselves today,” Mr Jordan said.
Yes. He realised his dream. By operating a high cost, half empty, cash burning, fledging airline. Congratulations.

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Old 10th May 2024, 05:07
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Just proving the oldie but a goodie, how do you make a small fortune in aviation? Start off with a big one.
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Probably worth noting that pre-Bain, VA was effectively owned by a trio of government-owned / government-majority-owned airlines, in EY, SQ and HU.
That was also a huge problem for VA, with each 'partner' trying to block the others ideas to prevent one from being stronger than the other, with too many industry large partners you also get mired in what each wants to achieve from the venture. All three were just happy to keep VA afloat at a small loss to keep pressure on QF at home. When the losses mounted too high and SQ was the only one bankrolling it, it was always going to end badly. That is probably why Bain is struggling to find suitors, they are probably put off not only by the viability of the airline, but who will have controlling shares if it floats. I'm sure if SQ could get 50% cheap they might entertain it, but there's not many others who'd have the cash for a long term go at it. You'd be mad to buy into airlines at the moment, there is not much stability of cost base for the future.
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Old 10th May 2024, 07:56
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Originally Posted by nomess
Total debt will be between $120-130m it seems.

No airline has burnt so much cash in the available timeframe like this has. Holey Moley.

Looks like Airports are owed a fair bit. Nauru airlines also, so that was another lie from Timbo.

Plus some strange statement from the him



Yes. He realised his dream. By operating a high cost, half empty, cash burning, fledging airline. Congratulations.

Bit more info from the ABC

About 20 parties, including investors, airlines and travel companies, are in talks to save Bonza, administrators have revealed at the first creditors' meeting for the embattled airline.

Representatives from Hall Chadwick told attendees on Friday morning they were hopeful a transaction would happen in the "not too distant future".

The ABC understands the airline's debts total more than $116 million, including $77 million in loans, $16 million owed to trade creditors, $10.5 million to airports, $4.6 million to the plane lessors, $5.3 million in employee wages and entitlements, and $58,000 to customers for cancelled flights.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-...line/103829502

58k in refunds seems a little low!
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Old 10th May 2024, 08:16
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Originally Posted by markis10
Bit more info from the ABC





58k in refunds seems a little low!
They've quoted that wrong, it was actually stated as:
- A yet to be determined amount owed to 57,893 passengers.
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Old 10th May 2024, 08:26
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I don’t know what’s more concerning.

The fact that a tiny startup airline that has burnt 9 figures in little over a year, has ‘interest’ according to the administrators, or the fact Tim Jordan seems keen to have a second crack at this.

Bonza carried nearly 1 million customers to 22 destinations, many of those being large regional centres,” said Jordan.
Let me rephrase

Bonza carried nearly 1 million customers to 22 destinations, many of those being large regional centres, and we burnt $120 million achieving that’

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Old 10th May 2024, 08:53
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Reminiscent of Toll Holdings, who had a large share of Virgin, and they valued it so highly they gave it away, to their own shareholders.
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Old 10th May 2024, 10:13
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Originally Posted by nomess
Bonza carried nearly 1 million customers to 22 destinations, many of those being large regional centres, and we burnt $120 million achieving that’
So every passenger carried was on average $120 below cost?
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Old 10th May 2024, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Kiwiconehead
So every passenger carried was on average $120 below cost?
At the prices they were charging that makes sense. Double the average fare they charged and it may have broke even, on paper. Reality not so sure
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Old 10th May 2024, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Kiwiconehead
So every passenger carried was on average $120 below cost?
The most idiotic thing in all this, is they want another crack at it. It’s insane.

The employees are hanging on to claim wages not paid, they can’t do this until the whole place is wound up.

In the meantime, they are at the mercy of Branson wannabes trying to keep it alive.
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Old 10th May 2024, 11:57
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Just when you think you have heard the most idiotic thing ever about Bonza, Australia's leading aviation journalist says, "Hold my pinot grigio!"

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...-bonza-effect/

AirlineRatings.com understands that several parties have serious interest in the airline as the Bonza model works and most of the airline’s flights have been full.
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Old 10th May 2024, 12:32
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Just when you think you have heard the most idiotic thing ever about Bonza, Australia's leading aviation journalist says, "Hold my pinot grigio!"

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...-bonza-effect/
He also mentions, he does not support any government financial assistance for Bonza, scrolling on, it then mentions the government should have bailed out Virgin Australia.

Also claims Bonza has saved passengers $125m. Failed to mention they have burnt at least $120m doing so.

Why is everyone including the company, trying to cover up how $hit the thing has financially performed?
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