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Old 12th May 2024, 08:47
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Nauru is owed $1m. Jordan advised they ‘had their own work’ so they stopped servicing his flights. The guy couldn’t lie in bed.
Would be interesting to go back and reconcile all of the comments he made and just how far off the mark they were. Especially the comments about the aircraft leases when Bonza execs knew full well the curtain was coming down. Rather than politicians advocating for Bonza to get a lifeline, they should be shouting from the rooftops about how this mob ripped off rural and regional Australians.

Where’s the accountability?
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Pay your money and take your chances .
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A new joiner these days is looking at about a decade for an upgrade and will be spending much of it in Melbourne with a few more years back there as a skipper before BNE becomes available.
​​​​​​​A decade would be very quick.
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Nauru is owed $1m.
Word is that allegedly one in management wanted the flying for Bonza to continue against the advice of others who had grave concerns when payments fell behind. Eventually some wisdom prevailed and they pulled the pin - but not for the reasons Jordan claimed.
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777 partners cofounders have been booted and Insolvency experts seen at the Miami HQ on Friday.
And now we see why AIP Capital's latest leasing venture is called Phoenix Aviation Capital - it was planned that way all along. Let the 777 dumpster fire burn, take the assets and rise again from the ashes.
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take the assets and rise again from the ashes.
What are the significant assets?
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Old 13th May 2024, 03:36
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What are the significant assets?
The aircraft are the only assets worth taking out of 777, and it seems that the guys from there, and their significant backer A-Cap, plus the guys who started AIP Capital, are all-in to take the jets and ride off into the sunset.
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Didn’t they finance the Boeing order for 777 Partners?

They have essentially cancelled that finance contract with them and taken back in house, and have started a leasing arm. That wasn’t what Boeing originally wanted, so will be interesting to see if they keep the remaining order for about 20 MAX 200s.

It is clear that 777 did not have the financial capability to fund monthly lease bills for its subsidiaries any longer. Considering the high margin leasing market at the moment, Phoenix was likely born to take advantage of that. Bonza is just collateral in all this. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Bonza and Flair fleets have been shopped around behind closed doors for months. What a time to be a leasing company.
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Old 13th May 2024, 06:00
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
Rather than politicians advocating for Bonza to get a lifeline, they should be shouting from the rooftops about how this mob ripped off rural and regional Australians. Where’s the accountability?
Because rural and regional Australians would just shrug their shoulders and say So what? The Qantas mob has been ripping us off 365 days a year, over the last 25 years.
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Old 13th May 2024, 07:25
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Originally Posted by nomess
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Bonza and Flair fleets have been shopped around behind closed doors for months. What a time to be a leasing company.
777 only took 6 aircraft from Boeing in the end, the Flair fleet has two, the other 777 flair birds they leased were repo’d last year.
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AFR reporting Vietjet Air was one of the interested parties. Wonder what they were valuing?
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Old 14th May 2024, 08:12
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The AOC would be attractive, with the 7M8 on it, but you are not buying a AOC, but a poisoned chalice saddled with liabilities, that happens to have a AOC.


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Originally Posted by nomess
The AOC would be attractive, with the 7M8 on it, but you are not buying a AOC, but a poisoned chalice saddled with liabilities, that happens to have a AOC.
Sure, but a simple rebrand fixes that.
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Sure, but a simple rebrand fixes that.
Not the liabilities part
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Old 14th May 2024, 09:27
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Not the liabilities part
With Creditor approval, the debts are moved to another Company and the original Company and AOC are sold debt free.

Alliance was formed in a similar manner.
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Old 14th May 2024, 09:38
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Not the liabilities part
$100M worth of liabilities for a ready to go airline is pocket change for someone like Vietjet. Would tie in well with their flights to Australia.
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Old 14th May 2024, 10:05
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If they pay the same contract rates as they used to pre covid in Vietnam then they’ll have them running through the door.
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If it was Vietjet I'd be running out the door and far away as fast as possible.
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Old 14th May 2024, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe
If it was Vietjet I'd be running out the door and far away as fast as possible.
seems they got the memo

The Australian Financial Review has confirmed Vietnam’s VietJet was among (the six companies) looking at Bonza’s aircraft operator certificate, a crucial licence needed to establish a foothold in the domestic aviation market. Bonza, which began flying only last year, has few other assets, with its aircraft heading overseas to other carriers.

Two sources said VietJet had been looking at ways to expand into Australia, with an order of 66 Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft, the first of which are due for delivery this year.

VietJet confirmed the airline – which arrived in Australia in April and flies 48 flights a week to Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide – had walked away from talks.
https://www.afr.com/companies/transp...0240513-p5jd35

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-UKH flown out this morning at 8am, currently en route to PHE.
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