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Old 27th Dec 2023, 13:13
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SOP for lights which had to be “clarified”. I thought the recent comment on overthinking take-off line up allowances exemplified the austronaught approach to aviation, but this sums it up much more completely.
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Old 27th Dec 2023, 13:27
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Yes, but the wing inspection lights! The wing inspection lights! Won’t someone think of the children?
Niccccccccccce! Wrapping yourself in "the children" flag always works!

Oh, and the guy that leaves taxi lights on/blinding opposite direction ac probably says, "what does The Book say" a minimum of 30 times per leg. He's the same guy who will turn engine AI on and off repeatedly whilst flying in cloud at +11, +10, +11, +10 (instead of just leaving them on after about the 3rd time).
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Old 27th Dec 2023, 21:36
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There are some glaring instances of zero situational awareness.

One place that used to give me the ****es was Hong Kong, with the cargo and private lads holding on opposite sides of 25L/07R at J1/K1 etc. Cleared for take off and the hands go straight up to all lights on, ok not so bad during the day but at night! Hey champ how about holding off on blinding the other crew until you’ve turned the nose a little.

One funny was a Japan airlines 787, they’d left the landing lights on a little longer than usual, I was taxying opposite way and fark those leds are bright, asked them to turn the lights off and got an apology and lights off.

Common sense and situational awareness are certainly lacking in some! I’m pretty sure every SOP has a disclaimer or the likes of, ok it’s been to long but ya don’t just blindly follow SOPs in every instance.
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Old 27th Dec 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
Yes, but the wing inspection lights! The wing inspection lights! Won’t someone think of the children?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of the wing inspection lights to increase the visibility of the aircraft to surrounding traffic? Sounds like it's doing its job, perhaps a bit too much. Of course, if it's causing more issues than help on the ground, then perhaps it should be limited to takeoffs and landings only?
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Old 27th Dec 2023, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator
There are some glaring instances of zero situational awareness.

One place that used to give me the ****es was Hong Kong, with the cargo and private lads holding on opposite sides of 25L/07R at J1/K1 etc. Cleared for take off and the hands go straight up to all lights on, ok not so bad during the day but at night! Hey champ how about holding off on blinding the other crew until you’ve turned the nose a little.

One funny was a Japan airlines 787, they’d left the landing lights on a little longer than usual, I was taxying opposite way and fark those leds are bright, asked them to turn the lights off and got an apology and lights off.

Common sense and situational awareness are certainly lacking in some! I’m pretty sure every SOP has a disclaimer or the likes of, ok it’s been to long but ya don’t just blindly follow SOPs in every instance.
yes VHHH was a particular pain especially at night.
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Old 27th Dec 2023, 23:59
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Originally Posted by VHOED191006
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the point of the wing inspection lights to increase the visibility of the aircraft to surrounding traffic? Sounds like it's doing its job, perhaps a bit too much. Of course, if it's causing more issues than help on the ground, then perhaps it should be limited to takeoffs and landings only?
Exactly, with this "all or nothing" attitude to lighting, it's a wonder why they don't just leave the strobes on at all times as well...
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 01:28
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This is such an austronaut thread
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 01:34
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This thread is almost as long as the JQ uniform trials. No end in sight to both.
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This is such an austronaut thread
It just typifies the frustration of the Australian operating environment.
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 06:44
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Don’t look at the light

find a hobby outside flying which doesn’t include prune. It’s pretty farkin simple really.
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 08:27
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That's the second time 'just don't look' has been suggested. Presumably you, and the other, don't drive at night. Vehicles nor aircraft.
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 08:38
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After I commented they said “
Commenting about that on the radio qualities you as Karen of the month.

and bringing this topic to the forum here is evidence of deeper problems.
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 09:01
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If it is a problem, why are crews not using the official occurrence reporting scheme?
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 09:04
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
If it is a problem, why are crews not using the official occurrence reporting scheme?
They are, didn’t you know that all policy changes are as a result of pprune topics!
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 21:01
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Won’t someone think of the children?
Rest assured I understood the reference, itsnotthatbloodyhard.
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Old 29th Dec 2023, 21:03
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
Won’t someone think of the children?
People don’t even think of them while in the process of making them!
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Old 30th Dec 2023, 01:10
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If it is a problem, why are crews not using the official occurrence reporting scheme?

Modern safety is a bit of a joke really. It’s all about being seen to be doing something and tackling the soft targets rather than taking on proper issues which create conflict with management or cost money. You can report all you like but nothing is done if it’s a difficult issue to fix.
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Old 30th Dec 2023, 01:20
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Modern safety is a bit of a joke really. It’s all about being seen to be doing something and tackling the soft targets rather than taking on proper issues which create conflict with management or cost money. You can report all you like but nothing is done if it’s a difficult issue to fix.
But at least you’ve covered your arse……..you can always then say ‘I told you so’….
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Modern safety is a bit of a joke really. It’s all about being seen to be doing something and tackling the soft targets rather than taking on proper issues which create conflict with management or cost money. You can report all you like but nothing is done if it’s a difficult issue to fix.
...or if the Chief Pilot has a fetish about lights...
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