YMML queue rwy 16 yesterday
Monday 11 December
B206/23
AIR TRAFFIC FLOW MANAGEMENT GROUND DELAY PROGRAM ACT
ALL FIXED WING NON-PRIORITY FLIGHTS DEPARTING FROM ALL AUSTRALIAN
AIRPORTS ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A CALCULATED OFF BLOCKS TIME (COBT)
FOR ARRIVAL INTO MELBOURNE
FROM 12 101900 TO 12 111600
AIR TRAFFIC FLOW MANAGEMENT GROUND DELAY PROGRAM ACT
ALL FIXED WING NON-PRIORITY FLIGHTS DEPARTING FROM ALL AUSTRALIAN
AIRPORTS ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A CALCULATED OFF BLOCKS TIME (COBT)
FOR ARRIVAL INTO MELBOURNE
FROM 12 101900 TO 12 111600
For anyone who may be unaware, those numbers above come from this source. I had to go and check myself to see it and believe it 
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf
To any of the ATC guys/ladies in this forum I've been wondering - what ever happened to "Behind the landing XXX line up behind".
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
To any of the ATC guys/ladies in this forum I've been wondering - what ever happened to "Behind the landing XXX line up behind".
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
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It’s the difference between knowing the rules, regs, policies and procedures well enough to GTFJD in an efficient manner and sitting there sweating on the minutiae of the above while some poor sod has to go around because of you.
To any of the ATC guys/ladies in this forum I've been wondering - what ever happened to "Behind the landing XXX line up behind".
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
Feels like it used to be common but now it's rarely used. Such a great way to have the next departure ready to launch the second an arrival clears the runway.
Stop bars didn't allow this, there were no conditionals, the traffic had to have passed before issuing the line-up clearance and dropping the stop bars. You'd think some artificial intelligence could be apply and the stop bars dropped on the lineup clearance by the system whilst the instruction to line up is given. Or a conditional clearance issued and the AI determines the condition and applies it dynamically.
For anyone who may be unaware, those numbers above come from this source. I had to go and check myself to see it and believe it
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf
https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf
Last edited by missy; 11th Dec 2023 at 01:29. Reason: spelling
Stop bars didn't allow this, there were no conditionals, the traffic had to have passed before issuing the line-up clearance and dropping the stop bars. You'd think some artificial intelligence could be apply and the stop bars dropped on the lineup clearance by the system whilst the instruction to line up is given. Or a conditional clearance issued and the AI determines the condition and applies it dynamically.
"what ever happened to "Behind the landing XXX line up behind".
airservicesaustralia.com/wp-content/uploads/runway_stopbars_presentation-1.pdf
Conditional clearances will not be used if stop bars are operating.
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Good, now we know its the stopbars. Who said prune was full of ****? Well, you're wrong if you did.
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Well well well....look at that. A 30 knot westerly in Sydney today and planes are still safely landing on the parallels (thanks to 07/25 being closed for works).
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
Well well well....look at that. A 30 knot westerly in Sydney today and planes are still safely landing on the parallels (thanks to 07/25 being closed for works).
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
I don’t know if it’s true or not but I was told that the airlines and the pilots’ union was approached about increasing the crosswind and tail wind limits and they declined.
Well well well....look at that. A 30 knot westerly in Sydney today and planes are still safely landing on the parallels (thanks to 07/25 being closed for works).
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
Just to prove how stupid the 20kt XW rule in MATS is which is the reason the airport grinds to a halt when 25 is available in these conditions.
The 20 kts was supposed to be introduced only for noise sharing modes, but it got f@rked up somewhere along the line and 20kts was adopted across the board.
Not sure if it was ASA/CASA/QFA or AAA - probably a combination of all 4.