Better than the rest of us?
There well maybe additional legislation for intrastate flights, I am just unfamiliar with it.
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I'm sure it's the same on all carriers, but I find it frustrating that an announcement is made, the majority of passengers ignore it and no-one thinks that it may be necessary to either allow the use of these devices or actually make some effort to ensure compliance with a regulatory requirement.
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A type I once flew not so long ago had a spate of spurious fire warnings. Lots of dead puppy dogs and pussy cats as a result of the checklist item to gas them with halon.
It turned out mobile phones left on and packed in checked in luggage was the culprit.
So yes, they can have an effect, and in systems you wouldn’t think they would.
I just hate the arrogance of these plonkers that insist they know more about the effect of their mobile phone than the engineers that built their phone, the aeroplane they’re flying in, the airline they’re flying with, and the crew getting their sorry ass from A to B.
I guess they’re experts based on their BA in Art History.
Just do as you’re bloody told. If you don’t like it, don’t fly.
It turned out mobile phones left on and packed in checked in luggage was the culprit.
So yes, they can have an effect, and in systems you wouldn’t think they would.
I just hate the arrogance of these plonkers that insist they know more about the effect of their mobile phone than the engineers that built their phone, the aeroplane they’re flying in, the airline they’re flying with, and the crew getting their sorry ass from A to B.
I guess they’re experts based on their BA in Art History.
Just do as you’re bloody told. If you don’t like it, don’t fly.
People hate regulations that take years to catch up with reality. Electronic devices OFF flight mode, are NIL hazard to any passenger aircraft in operation in 2017.
Do you get the picture? Your interpretation of the rules is not going to stop you getting kicked off or arrested if you refuse to follow cabin crew or flight crew instructions. End of story no correspondence will be entered into.
Many years ago in Luanda during the civil war in Angola Air France took the B747 to Gaberone for crew rest and flew back to do the scheduled LAD CDG flight in the evening, therefor crew hours were tight.
The baggage was lined up on the tarmac and boarding passengers had to physically hand their baggage to the loaders to put in the containers.
We were all onboard waiting for departure and the captain said there was a piece of baggage left on the tarmac, could the owner please identify. Nobody was forthcoming so all the baggage was unloaded again and we all had to go back down and go through the procedure again. This time all was identified.
As the doors were closed the captain who was extremely pissed off by now, announced that seat xxx was the cause of the delay. I imagine with a whole lot of pissed off people now glaring at him he was suitable reprimanded. The delay was over 2 hours. I missed my connection home.
The baggage was lined up on the tarmac and boarding passengers had to physically hand their baggage to the loaders to put in the containers.
We were all onboard waiting for departure and the captain said there was a piece of baggage left on the tarmac, could the owner please identify. Nobody was forthcoming so all the baggage was unloaded again and we all had to go back down and go through the procedure again. This time all was identified.
As the doors were closed the captain who was extremely pissed off by now, announced that seat xxx was the cause of the delay. I imagine with a whole lot of pissed off people now glaring at him he was suitable reprimanded. The delay was over 2 hours. I missed my connection home.
I vaguely recall everyone having to personally identify their luggage in Bahrain, many years ago. Not all was identified, and it was left behind. I suspect a couple of owners realised at the far end...
People hate regulations that take years to catch up with reality. Electronic devices OFF flight mode, are NIL hazard to any passenger aircraft in operation in 2017.
From what I can read here though, they don't seem very relevant in 2017. I reckon we should all just ignore them.
Watta ya reckon Moneyx4?
Surely a quick-thinking PA announcement would have solved the problem causing minimal delay.
"Folks, you may have noticed us taxiing back to the terminal. Its all thanks to the selfish ignoramus in seat 3A who is refusing to switch his personal electronic device to flight mode. You might like to share your opinion with him as his refusal to follow CASA regulations will cause you all personally at least a 20 min delay at your destination. Whilst we would never condone physical assault, common f@rkin courtesy IS our number one priority."
Quickly followed by "Thank you for your prompt cooperation, would seat rows 4 to 20 please return to their seats, ensure their seatbelts are fastened, and pick up any errant PED parts on the way."
"Folks, you may have noticed us taxiing back to the terminal. Its all thanks to the selfish ignoramus in seat 3A who is refusing to switch his personal electronic device to flight mode. You might like to share your opinion with him as his refusal to follow CASA regulations will cause you all personally at least a 20 min delay at your destination. Whilst we would never condone physical assault, common f@rkin courtesy IS our number one priority."
Quickly followed by "Thank you for your prompt cooperation, would seat rows 4 to 20 please return to their seats, ensure their seatbelts are fastened, and pick up any errant PED parts on the way."
"Back in the bad old days when smoking was permitted except for takeoff and landing I did something similar.
I was Captain on an HS748 on the last evening service from Nadi to Nausori. It was a stormy night, with nice lightning displays clearly visible to the pax. The hostie made the usual PA before takeoff announcing a flight time of 30 minutes. Just prior to top of descent I made the usual PA from the cockpit.
Despite this, a fat Yank lit up his cigar. Five minutes later of course we put the ‘no smoking’ sign on. Fat Yank kicked up a fuss refusing to butt out his stogie, saying something like he had only just lit it.
Hostie reported to me. I got back on the PA, with words to the effect that we would be going into a holding pattern until the American gentleman in 3A either complied, or finished his cigar. A couple of burly but nervous flyer Fijians did the rest".
That isn’t actually true, there is evidence that personal electronic devices can interfere with aircraft. There is a condition on that, most PEDs when leaving the factory would be safe to use in flight, however over time either by changes in firmware or damage from dropping/water the device may not work as designed. Most people do not know if that is the case, and it would be too expensive for airlines to test devices prior to flight for conformance, so its easier for all involved just to have them stop transmitting.
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Blame Mythbusters. They went and tested one phone in a mock scenario with an old aircraft and told the whole world it was a myth. The number of people who 'think they know better' as a result is considerable...
There isn't an actual reg. The FAA issues guidelines only and CASA pretty much follows them. It is up to the airline to determine it's own policy for the use of PED's. The onus is on the airline to prove that operating them is safe or otherwise. That's pretty much why they just said turn them off. A few years ago the FAA (and CASA shortly afterwards) advised that PED use could be permitted as long as they were operated in "Flight Mode". If the airline policy is different, or the use contravenes whatever policy the airline has, then that is where the offence is, by failing to follow a direction of the crew. The FCC, not the FAA, in America ban making mobile calls in flight because of the issues it causes with the terrestrial cell network. The same problem probably exists in Australia, but I'm not sure which agency has the blanket power to prohibit the airborne use of mobile phones for telephony, and I don't think such a prohibition exists.
An excerpt from a position paper from the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Association:
In Australia, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority does not have specific
regulations regarding mobile phone use and has left the decision up to the
discretion of the airlines. The onus is placed on the pilot in command or the
operator to ensure that the aircraft is operated safely. Passengers are required to
obey all lawful instruction issued by the pilot in command in accordance with
Civil Aviation Regulations.
CASA's page:
https://www.casa.gov.au/safety-manag.../mobile-phones
An excerpt from a position paper from the Australian Mobile Telecommunications Association:
In Australia, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority does not have specific
regulations regarding mobile phone use and has left the decision up to the
discretion of the airlines. The onus is placed on the pilot in command or the
operator to ensure that the aircraft is operated safely. Passengers are required to
obey all lawful instruction issued by the pilot in command in accordance with
Civil Aviation Regulations.
CASA's page:
https://www.casa.gov.au/safety-manag.../mobile-phones
From QF 'Conditions of Carriage' :
https://www.qantas.com/travel/airlin...obal/en#jump11
https://www.qantas.com/travel/airlin...obal/en#jump11
We may also ask you not to operate any electronic devices including cellular telephones, laptop computers, recorders, radios, CD players, electronic games, laser products or transmitting devices, remote or radio controlled toys that could interfere with the flight. If you fail to comply with our requests, we may retain the device until the end of the flight. Hearing aids and heart pacemakers are permitted
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What’s so hard about “them’s the rules. If you don’t like them then don’t board the aircraft”?
And what I really want to know is - why hasn’t he been named and shamed?
And what I really want to know is - why hasn’t he been named and shamed?
There isn't an actual reg.
"follow all illuminated information signs and crew member instructions"?
Has my airline been lying to every passenger in every preflight safety briefing?
(That question is rhetorical...)
CR.
