Tigerair Bali flights grounded

[Lookleft]

If you read that article again you would notice that James Hogan already has another job. He is going to much higher levels of executive management rather than taking a step backwards to run a small Australian airline.

[Berealgetreal]

Masters. Or, retire as a multimillionaire.

Happy days.

[falconx]

always more than meets the eye

[Turnleft080]

Still grounded.

[Icarus2001]

No flights to Bali AGAIN.

You could not make this stuff up...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34330137...i-again/#page1

Tiger cancels flights to Bali again

Perhaps it is time for the trade regulator to look into whether the airline is breaching trade laws by selling a service that is not available.

[SOPS]

Breaking news here on the radio...Tiger is pulling out of Bali permanently.

[Falling Leaf]

Yep. What's next....Tiger to keep operating the A320....

[Falling Leaf]

Jb said publicly last year that every CEO needed a scapegoat, and that Rob Sharp was it. To his face JB said RS had to make Bali work.

[Icarus2001]

Can you back those up with quotes somewhere Falling Leaf?

[morno]

Icarus,
Every airline sells tickets to destinations they're not approved to fly to. Ever noticed the small print when a new destination is announced? "Subject to regulatory approval"?

No different at all.

morno

[LostProperty]

Tigerair dumps flights from Australia to Bali, blames Indonesia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[libbyj]

Extraordinary that Indonesia, with its exemplary safety record, does not recognise an AOC issued by CASA.

[Icarus2001]

No different at all.

Well of course you are entitled to an opinion but I disagree.

When I was Chief Pilot of a charter operation I asked the FOI from CASA if I could advertise a particular service before the approval (for this particular operation) was received from head office. He said no. When I used your "subject to regulatory approval" line as seen occasionally. He said no that was not legal either but they did not have the time (or inclination) to fight the big operations but if I tried it we would be in a world of pain.

Secondly, when setting up a new operation maybe this is valid, from a CASA point of view. In this case the company has been caught out not complying (apparently).
Forget CASA compliance, I am talking about CONSUMER protection, Fair Trading ACCC etc. Selling tickets for a service where no reasonable expection could be made of the service being provided.

In my humble opinion there is a case to be made.

[Oakape]

Extraordinary that Indonesia, with its exemplary safety record, does not recognise an AOC issued by CASA.

There is no money in that!

[morno]

I think you're clutching at straws there Icarus.

And Tiger sold tickets on the basis that they were going to have the necessary approvals by recommencement date. So you'd be hard pushed to try and say they were selling tickets knowing that there was no chance they were going to be able to operate the service.

I feel sorry for all the people who have worked their asses off trying to get this thing up and running in such a short period of time. With nothing said by casa on the Australian end, you can only assume that there was no problem as far as they were concerned, just the Indonesians playing games.

morno

[Icarus2001]

you can only assume that there was no problem as far as they were concerned, just the Indonesians playing games.

I agree. CASA has said nothing, probably all good there (this time).

Why do you assume it is the Indonesians "playing games", do you have information or just your cultural bias against "foreigners"?

Is it possible Tiger were "playing games"?

[PoppaJo]

Tiger have not been selling tickets since the initial grounding last month

They were removed from sale immediately

[morno]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

I agree. CASA has said nothing, probably all good there (this time).

Why do you assume it is the Indonesians "playing games", do you have information or just your cultural bias against "foreigners"?

Is it possible Tiger were "playing games"?

Simply an observation Icarus. Why was what Tiger were doing considered acceptable until recently and then given the go ahead to resume services only to have the carpet pulled out at the last minute?

You can't tell me the Indonesians weren't aware of what was happening.

And no cultural bias at all. It could be the Kiwis doing this and I'd still refer to it in the same way.

[porch monkey]

Unfortunately, you need to look a little more "inwardly" for the real culprits.

[Icarus2001]

Why was what Tiger were doing considered acceptable until recently

How do you know they were not "on a warning" from DGCA? To fix the issue. You know just like they were told multiple times by CASA to fix issues, they failed to do that and were grounded as a result. I know that was under the UK wunderkind who was dumped but perhaps there is a poor culture remaining? Who knows?

I know that blaming DGCA is very easy.