Qantas' broken and overworked A380 fleet
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So what is wrong with the airplane(s) in DXB?
Wiring issues with the fuel sys from what I hear. Some of you guys are blissfully unaware that you are flying around in one of the most avionic advanced passenger aircraft, for an airline that is loathed to train any experienced Avionic engineers. CASA have also had a hand in this by removing the necessity under new law.
So when these wiring (or other complex) defects start to appear on an ageing fleet, the chances of a quick effective rectification and capture become slim. Instead it will just be the standard 'reset carried out', or 'fim proc c/out - nil faults', until the aircraft gets stuck somewhere. Here is a business case in itself to train suitable qualified & experienced staff, but not with this current management team. Going forward we will be increasingly dependant on an overseas MRO with a different operating model to clean up our fleet issues as they become stranded OS.
We just watch it all unfold and think to ourselves "told you so".
One day things will change when a big broom is swept through the place.
Well that won't be an MEL item...... :-)
No wonder the SMH said this morning that Airbus were being consulted.
No wonder the SMH said this morning that Airbus were being consulted.
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NG, I agree from what I have seen so far with the introduction of the B1 / B2 system , every time a complicated wiring repair has to be carried out it usually falls back on the guys that have done some time in the wiring shop.
AJ must have a good staff travel onload priority to make it out of there before the full fare pax.
AJ must have a good staff travel onload priority to make it out of there before the full fare pax
Entirely appropriate. He must go.
It's like going to the dentist for a check up. Preventative maintenance.
Some people believe you don't need to go to the dentist for that work and hence forth, the appearance and functioning of that piece of equipment eventually becomes a train wreck.
Dentistry on demand I think it's called.
Unfortunately however, with such a system, inevitably major root canal work is the end result and the false economy and argument that it's the better way seems to be a ridiculous notion.
But I guess if you earn $33000 per day, you can jump the queue and sit in any dental recliner chair you want, whilst you wait for the rectification to be complete.
Some people believe you don't need to go to the dentist for that work and hence forth, the appearance and functioning of that piece of equipment eventually becomes a train wreck.
Dentistry on demand I think it's called.
Unfortunately however, with such a system, inevitably major root canal work is the end result and the false economy and argument that it's the better way seems to be a ridiculous notion.
But I guess if you earn $33000 per day, you can jump the queue and sit in any dental recliner chair you want, whilst you wait for the rectification to be complete.
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The more modern ones don't have the whine.
Even if you throw all available resources into maintenance (as airlines like Japan Airlines do/used to do) and start to go broke in the process, you will still see failures (not unusual... as those aircraft have a million parts to break in them).
What I did notice over my years in the industry was that the scary airlines did seem to get their aircraft out on time, just as often as the good ones, because they were willing to fly their aircraft with masses of unserviceabilities (and their interpretation of Dispatch Deviation Guides was less than perfect). Qantas engineers work on a number of different airlines and they've grounded quite a few foreign operators' aircraft that the operators thought were ok to fly (and weren't).
What I did notice over my years in the industry was that the scary airlines did seem to get their aircraft out on time, just as often as the good ones, because they were willing to fly their aircraft with masses of unserviceabilities (and their interpretation of Dispatch Deviation Guides was less than perfect). Qantas engineers work on a number of different airlines and they've grounded quite a few foreign operators' aircraft that the operators thought were ok to fly (and weren't).
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There's a little rumour that has just arrived with the much delayed flight that Alan Joyce was keen to be at the Sydney New Years Eve fireworks display.
I wonder if he ate an entire block of Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate the next day.
I wonder if he ate an entire block of Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate the next day.
I mean, if you were the CEO of an airline wouldn't you want to be able to get a seat on one of your aircraft? It's a privilege that comes with the responsibility of keeping how many thousand people in a job? 
I guess he could have given his seat up and instructed the check in agents to fairly select just one person from the list of 400 delayed passengers to take his place.
Or maybe they could follow Ryanair's lead and have a bizjet painted in Qantas colours at his beck and call so he doesn't have to use revenue seats at all?
I guess he could have given his seat up and instructed the check in agents to fairly select just one person from the list of 400 delayed passengers to take his place.
Or maybe they could follow Ryanair's lead and have a bizjet painted in Qantas colours at his beck and call so he doesn't have to use revenue seats at all?
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"His" airline? Get real!
He SHOULD not have a seat to begin with and wait in line with all the others on staff travel; those folks paying for his lavish lifestyle SHOULD have the highest of all priority, in all cases, excepting defined exceptional circumstances.
Joyce is nothing more than a recipient of the spoils earnt by many hard working people. He is not singularly responsible for its success, either.
Should his position, or any other like it, allow priority passage over the common man paying his "less than A380 Captain's" wage?
In my view, an emphatic no!
He SHOULD not have a seat to begin with and wait in line with all the others on staff travel; those folks paying for his lavish lifestyle SHOULD have the highest of all priority, in all cases, excepting defined exceptional circumstances.
Joyce is nothing more than a recipient of the spoils earnt by many hard working people. He is not singularly responsible for its success, either.
Should his position, or any other like it, allow priority passage over the common man paying his "less than A380 Captain's" wage?
In my view, an emphatic no!
How about sending some A330s on rescue flights? Too busy on those 3hr Perth missions hey?
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Isn't the CEO one of the category's of staff allowed to travel on the flight deck?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
Then why the hell didn't he lead by example and do that rather than displace commercial passengers.
The very people who cough up some $14 million bucks a year to pay his remuneration.
This leads into another question.
How many $ millions of bucks are Year are spent on Bain & Co?
Why is this exorbitant amount spent on consultants to make business decisions when Qantas already has one of the highest paid executive airline management teams in the world.
OINK OINK , pigs at a trough!
PS FLIEGENMONG very cryptic, reference the chocolate bar.
Anything to do with brown hankies or bandannas in the back pocket?
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Other than a "we understand" from a newspaper, can anyone verify that Joyce was actually there?
He always seems to be there, and do this, when S@&$ fight happens. Seems a bit too convienient to me. Anyway, pitchforks in hand, lets go⛏
He always seems to be there, and do this, when S@&$ fight happens. Seems a bit too convienient to me. Anyway, pitchforks in hand, lets go⛏
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Yeah, I'm sure Joyce jumped at the chance to give up the comfort of a first class cabin, with entertainment and a lie flat bed, ability to get up whenever he likes, cabin staff oncall, etc, for a jump seat in a noisy cabin, with no way to relax.
