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Old 18th Feb 2024, 03:31
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QF A321XLR’s

35 x A321XLR’s to be announced as coming to Qantas Mainline on Thursday.

Taking the total order to 55 replacing roughly 75 B737’s in the long run.

Crewing numbers will be increased from what the 737 currently is: this is based on extended range flying with overnights chewing up crew numbers.

A319’s (ex network) rumoured to be switched across to Mainline if Network keep up these antics.
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don’t forget to tell them that our work has been outsourced so much that people just no longer give a flying f()ck if the jets go out on time.
This is an important point for QF to understand. I have very little hope that the decision makers will ever understand it though because there is nobody amongst them that has done it. No pilots or Engineers are included at the decision making level. As such they employ McKinsey to fix the problem…..no pilots or Engineers involved there either….crazy.
An important thing for QF to understand is that pilots and Engineers used to see it as a mark of pride to depart on time. They developed habits and practices over many years to mitigate possible delay factors, they would have their fuel order sorted on the previous sector so that they could file the order quick smart once a final weather check was done, they would be ahead of flight planning regarding changes to the TAF or curfew issues, they would be liaising actively with the CSM about calling boarding at specific times to absorb potential bottlenecks, they’d ensure all parties were across fail to boards as soon as possible to avoid delays waiting for bags to be offloaded, complex MEL’s ( although previously rare) would be read an understood in advance to allow normal departure times, plus another 100 nuanced actions that presented themselves in a normal day. They did all this even when being threatened with outsourcing etc.
Then slowly, it has dawned on most pilots that even with all of this non stop mental activity and resultant action, the system has decayed to such an extent that the aircraft are going to run late regardless due to a lack of investment and insight into what he activity ( airline ops) actually is. The managers making these mistakes are still treating them in the same old fashion, and the feeling of pride from departing safely on time is a mugs game.
I have noticed that I have subconsciously drawn back one step. I now get my sense of pride from operating as close to SOP’s as I reasonably can while providing the best customer and crew interaction/ leadership that I can in the circumstances. There are opportunities every single day now to take the edge off customer and crew frustrations through thoughtful PA’s , discussions and briefing sessions, I can’t take much of the frustration away, but I can at least provide one stable, calm and reliable element in amongst what is really an embarrassing industry to be part of.
So what does this mean for OTP? If other pilots have reacted anything like me, then OTP has slipped from being tucked tightly in behind safety, to a metric that is out of my control and ‘will be what it will be’ to a large extent.
So, congratulations managers, you had an incredible resource which made you millions and millions each year and that resource was ‘ constant striving for OTP by thousands of high quality and experienced human brains’. Those high quality and experienced brains are still there, but they aren’t working on your project anymore, they’ve switched their attention to simply ensuring the bare minimums of aviation safety are met.
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A319’s (ex network) rumoured to be switched across to Mainline if Network keep up these antics.
Replace high hour 737s with even higher hour bucket of sh*t a319s? Their contempt for the travelling public is limitless. If it’s an industrial tactic (my suspicion) to promise a shiny new jet to another AOC if NAA doesn’t fall in line, they have forgotten about the shiny and new parts that actually make it a threat.
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From 75 B737s to 55 A321s and 29 A220s.

Well done Qantas Management for significantly reducing the cost base of the already profitable QF domestic.

E-Jets to pick up the ex Cobham 717 work.

An overall reduction of Australian Pilot terms and conditions. More QantasLINK Jet aircraft then Qantas.
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Would anything less than 75 321 aircraft (IE replaced 1 for 1) be considered transfer of business?
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Replace high hour 737s with even higher hour bucket of sh*t a319s? Their contempt for the travelling public is limitless. If it’s an industrial tactic (my suspicion) to promise a shiny new jet to another AOC if NAA doesn’t fall in line, they have forgotten about the shiny and new parts that actually make it a threat.
Why the **** would NAA crews gives a flying toss at the A319 flying elsewhere. Let’s all go sign the dotted line right away coz we really want to fly the old old rust buckets. These aircraft are absolute pieces of rubbish, which makes sense if they are wanting mainline passengers to fly them.

They already have all other A320 Fam aircraft in the group on higher wages, what’s an extra A319.
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A319’s (ex network) rumoured to be switched across to Mainline if Network keep up these antics.
So that the pilots with the higher base already deep into overtime can fly the premium passengers in the older aircraft?
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So that the pilots with the higher base already deep into overtime can fly the premium passengers in the older aircraft?
The complete absurdity of it certainly gives it authenticity as being a company generated rumour. They are getting desperate if this is what their scare campaigns are starting to look like
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A319’s (ex network) rumoured to be switched across to Mainline if Network keep up these antics.
Well, that made me laugh

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Can’t come soon enough, sick of wedging myself into these f#$kn 737’s on 5 hour flights.
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Well, that made me laugh
to be fair that sounds exactly like something Qantas IR would say, ‘if you don’t accept our **** offer we will transfer the planes to an airline with far greater costs!’ Only reply to that should be ‘go on then’.
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Originally Posted by ROH111
35 x A321XLR’s to be announced as coming to Qantas Mainline on Thursday.

Taking the total order to 55 replacing roughly 75 B737’s in the long run.

Crewing numbers will be increased from what the 737 currently is: this is based on extended range flying with overnights chewing up crew numbers.

A319’s (ex network) rumoured to be switched across to Mainline if Network keep up these antics.
I hope the A321XLR part is true, I just wonder how much back of the clock flying will be needed for 55 aircraft to require more pilots than the current 75x 737s? How much BoC flying does the 737 do now?
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

E-Jets to pick up the ex Cobham 717 work.
Did I miss something here ?
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I thought the new CEO ( what ever her name is), said the things would be different. The whole board and management needs to go and fresh faces ( who understand airlines ) bought in.
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I thought the new CEO ( what ever her name is), said the things would be different. The whole board and management needs to go and fresh faces ( who understand airlines ) bought in.
Exactly! Until that happens there is no change.

VH is just an AJ puppet along with the board.

It’s gunna take some balls to turn it around.

Unfortunately the majority of the public still buy the QF spin.

AJ before the senate committee might just be the difference, however I think the chances of that are about the same as being able to ice skate across a frozen Sydney Harbour from the opera house to Manly!
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Did I miss something here ?
All the DRW work, all the CNS work, all the BNE work. Do you really think an A220 would be flying MEL-LST or CBR-SYD long term? How often do you do a flight (assuming your 737) with less then 140 pax?
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Virgin has become quite comfortable using its Perth -700s across many east coast routes, so QF will be no different.

A220 would do triangle off peak no doubt.

One would expect OOL, CNS, ADL, TSV will all be popular spots for the thing. The question is how far can they push the A220 around the network. Wouldn’t surprise me if 2xA220 flights are cheaper vs one mainline flight. Thats the subsidiary playbook in action.
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
From 75 B737s to 55 A321s and 29 A220s.

Well done Qantas Management for significantly reducing the cost base of the already profitable QF domestic.

E-Jets to pick up the ex Cobham 717 work.

An overall reduction of Australian Pilot terms and conditions. More QantasLINK Jet aircraft then Qantas.
I was actually referring to 717s flying for Cobham
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The “new” A319 that network has might be scrapped shortly, they have figured out it’s clapped out and a complete piece of ****.

it’s not going anywhere but the junk yard.
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Why would qantas use a321xlr's on short haul routes syd mel etc would be such a waste they would be ideally used for such as adl sin logically but what do we know
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From 75 B737s to 55 A321s and 29 A220s.
23 current B738s to be fitted with the new winglets - these would be the ones that would fly into next decade, so all up the mainline narrowbody numbers could be 55+23 = 78 around 2030. As the XLR would be doing more back of the clock ops then you would need more pilots per airframe than just pure domestic ops.

Wait and see what is ordered but potentially this could mean a jump in mainline SH crew numbers. They aren’t recruiting 200 pilots per year for nothing.
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