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Old 18th May 2017, 01:56   #301 (permalink)
 
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Psychometric Testing

Can anyone shed any light on the psychometric testing that Virgin uses these days and if there are any practice materials you recommend?


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Old 18th May 2017, 02:48   #302 (permalink)
 
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Last time I checked the VARA EBA there was something in there about no requirement to release more than 10% of pilots to the mainline operation per year. Assuming this is to prevent crippling the ATR operation. Perhaps this is being applied or needs to be applied in this instance. Any remaining vacancies to be offered to more junior pilots and externals. Is this not complying fully with the EBA?
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Old 18th May 2017, 06:58   #303 (permalink)
 
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Yeah that's right Skysook I've read that too. It's my understanding that management said they'd not apply the cap due to a significant need for crew on other fleets. it makes no sense to apply a cap and keep crew on a fleet that is more than halved and then have to hire externally. I mean that's my thinking, but then I have nothing against ATR pilots...
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Old 18th May 2017, 14:49   #304 (permalink)
 
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Why aren't the pilot conference calls filled with ATR pilots questioning management directly with these concerns? Put them on the spot, make them answer. They will know hundreds are listening in expecting them to do the right thing or come to a fair resolution. It would be interesting to hear their side of what's going on in response in person, rather then through a keyboard and emails.
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Old 18th May 2017, 16:38   #305 (permalink)
 
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Virgin will eventually go back to being the pilots job of choice. It's better than having to wear a white hat...
😂 Really?! It's a hat dude. Had a look at the share prices / balance sheets / future prospects recently?
I know what color hat I'd rather be wearing.
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Old 19th May 2017, 02:52   #306 (permalink)
 
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😂 Really?! It's a hat dude. Had a look at the share prices / balance sheets / future prospects recently?
I know what color hat I'd rather be wearing.
Virgin was once the 'pilot job of choice'??
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Old 19th May 2017, 04:58   #307 (permalink)


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Can anyone shed any light on the psychometric testing that Virgin uses these days and if there are any practice materials you recommend?


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Hey mate you found any info been chasing things up for the testing. Been doing SHL examples only.
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Old 19th May 2017, 15:03   #308 (permalink)
 
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Virgin was once the 'pilot job of choice'??
Yep, but that was a long time ago, and it never will be again!
Those days are dead and gone.
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Old 23rd May 2017, 01:52   #309 (permalink)


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It's all downhill once the company and the unions throw the seniority list out the window.
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Old 24th May 2017, 03:53   #310 (permalink)
 
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It's all downhill once the company and the unions throw the seniority list out the window.
Why is that?
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Old 24th May 2017, 10:39   #311 (permalink)


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Why is it bad to go out side seniority

Seniority system is the glue that holds an airline together, it's the only reason pilots stick with a particular airline. Once you have it you seldom want to give it up. If Virgin wanna go outside the seniority list it's a very slippery slope especially when Virgin pilots are already looking elsewhere due to hugely expired EPAs !!

The biggest problem with Virgin are the unions.... or lack of !!
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Old 25th May 2017, 05:33   #312 (permalink)
 
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Aren't ATR and newish SOs type frozen? So if jobs came up now on B737 then they could not apply because of the type freeze, therefore not outside of seniority list bidding?
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Old 25th May 2017, 20:58   #313 (permalink)
 
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There seems to be a big focus on the seniority system and that positions should be allocated based strictly on GDOJ number. Don't forget 2 simple facts.

1. There is a 10% cap per year on the release of VARA pilots to the jet fleet. The company has full rights to apply this. This is in accordance with the VARA EBA.

2. There are many pilots on the list that are still type frozen. Therefore, they are ineligible to be awarded a position.

So for those that are complaining about more junior pilots or externals potentially being awarded positions ahead of you. I suggest you revisit these 2 simple facts.
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Old 26th May 2017, 00:06   #314 (permalink)
 
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Why is it bad to go out side seniority

Seniority system is the glue that holds an airline together, it's the only reason pilots stick with a particular airline. Once you have it you seldom want to give it up. If Virgin wanna go outside the seniority list it's a very slippery slope especially when Virgin pilots are already looking elsewhere due to hugely expired EPAs !!

The biggest problem with Virgin are the unions.... or lack of !!
That's rather a pilot-centric view of how an airline runs!
I think Virgin Australia has much larger (business-centric) problems at present!

Virgin Australia has been known to relax the type freezes when there are no suitable internal candidates.
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Old 26th May 2017, 01:07   #315 (permalink)
 
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Seniority in Australia is also what keeps many very qualified and experienced pilots from around the world (ie. Australian expats) who could bring a lot to the system, from coming back to Australia into suitable roles (ie. Commands and Check and Training roles), all because if that very experienced pilot wants to come back to Australia, they are demoted to a First Officer (or Second Officer in Qantas' case!).

Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company in terms of recruiting the best people for the job into the most appropriate roles.
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Old 26th May 2017, 01:22   #316 (permalink)
 
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Seniority in Australia is also what keeps many very qualified and experienced pilots from around the world (ie. Australian expats) who could bring a lot to the system, from coming back to Australia into suitable roles (ie. Commands and Check and Training roles), all because if that very experienced pilot wants to come back to Australia, they are demoted to a First Officer (or Second Officer in Qantas' case!).

Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company in terms of recruiting the best people for the job into the most appropriate roles.
True, but that same seniority system also keeps a lot of the experience in the Airline.

Why sit on the seniority list for 25+ years waiting for a widebody command when you could run off overseas for 10 and come back as a DEC?

Sure, abolishing seniority might afford them to hire DEC's out of the sandpit, but how much turnover would they have in the SO/FO ranks as Pilots flock overseas for some command time, sick of being overlooked in favor of returning expats?

Slippery slope in my opinion.
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Old 26th May 2017, 01:31   #317 (permalink)
 
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skysook is correct.

The question beyond this issue is: how do you retain people on that type when the likes of QF are recruiting? I'm told turnover isn't as much of a problem as the pilots think it is. Having said that, experienced well trained crews I think are better than constant turnover. Cadets is one answer.

I'd say cashflow is the real "glue". Watch how quickly things come "unstuck" without it..
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Old 26th May 2017, 01:32   #318 (permalink)
 
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The backstabbing, lies, brown nosing and greasy pole climbing that goes on at Virgin (and probably other places also) is bad enough with pseudo GDOJ system that is in place now......

Without it, the behaviour of those that think the rules apply to everyone else except them would be even more disgraceful.

Seniority is the best bad system.
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Old 26th May 2017, 02:22   #319 (permalink)
 
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Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company
In the long run seniority works more in favour of the company than it against it.
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Old 26th May 2017, 04:09   #320 (permalink)
 
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Tommy Bahama is correct.Seniority is not the best system,but it is the best system available for the reasons given above.
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