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Old 26th May 2017, 02:07   #301 (permalink)
 
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Seniority in Australia is also what keeps many very qualified and experienced pilots from around the world (ie. Australian expats) who could bring a lot to the system, from coming back to Australia into suitable roles (ie. Commands and Check and Training roles), all because if that very experienced pilot wants to come back to Australia, they are demoted to a First Officer (or Second Officer in Qantas' case!).

Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company in terms of recruiting the best people for the job into the most appropriate roles.
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Old 26th May 2017, 02:22   #302 (permalink)
 
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Seniority in Australia is also what keeps many very qualified and experienced pilots from around the world (ie. Australian expats) who could bring a lot to the system, from coming back to Australia into suitable roles (ie. Commands and Check and Training roles), all because if that very experienced pilot wants to come back to Australia, they are demoted to a First Officer (or Second Officer in Qantas' case!).

Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company in terms of recruiting the best people for the job into the most appropriate roles.
True, but that same seniority system also keeps a lot of the experience in the Airline.

Why sit on the seniority list for 25+ years waiting for a widebody command when you could run off overseas for 10 and come back as a DEC?

Sure, abolishing seniority might afford them to hire DEC's out of the sandpit, but how much turnover would they have in the SO/FO ranks as Pilots flock overseas for some command time, sick of being overlooked in favor of returning expats?

Slippery slope in my opinion.
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Old 26th May 2017, 02:31   #303 (permalink)
 
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skysook is correct.

The question beyond this issue is: how do you retain people on that type when the likes of QF are recruiting? I'm told turnover isn't as much of a problem as the pilots think it is. Having said that, experienced well trained crews I think are better than constant turnover. Cadets is one answer.

I'd say cashflow is the real "glue". Watch how quickly things come "unstuck" without it..
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Old 26th May 2017, 02:32   #304 (permalink)
 
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The backstabbing, lies, brown nosing and greasy pole climbing that goes on at Virgin (and probably other places also) is bad enough with pseudo GDOJ system that is in place now......

Without it, the behaviour of those that think the rules apply to everyone else except them would be even more disgraceful.

Seniority is the best bad system.
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Old 26th May 2017, 03:22   #305 (permalink)
 
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Seniority works to a point, but it's a system that's still not in the best interests of the company
In the long run seniority works more in favour of the company than it against it.
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Old 26th May 2017, 05:09   #306 (permalink)
 
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Tommy Bahama is correct.Seniority is not the best system,but it is the best system available for the reasons given above.
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Old 26th May 2017, 12:58   #307 (permalink)
 
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Like it or not.

Seniority is the best speed hump to mitigate stupidity*.

(*stupidity being pole climbing or what ever creative circumstance presents itself.)
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Old 27th May 2017, 07:11   #308 (permalink)
 
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Skysook, could you please go back and read that EBA before you go sprouting off your opinion on what it says? The 10% is the minimum the company has to release. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing...
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Like it or not.

Seniority is the best speed hump to mitigate stupidity*.

(*stupidity being pole climbing or what ever creative circumstance presents itself.)
Exactly.
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Old 28th May 2017, 06:27   #310 (permalink)
 
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Skysook, could you please go back and read that EBA before you go sprouting off your opinion on what it says? The 10% is the minimum the company has to release. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing...
Could you elaborate on your interpretation of this please?

Because my interpretation is that once they have released the 10% then there is no further requirement to release any more in that rolling 12 month period. The intent being to prevent the crippling of VARA pilot numbers. Ofcourse the company reserves the right to release more if they wish. I thought this was pretty clear.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 03:57   #311 (permalink)
 
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I know of one VARA FO from F100 moving to the B737 so far.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 04:48   #312 (permalink)
 
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...and one F100 capt moving to 737 FO.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 11:36   #313 (permalink)
 
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Is that because not many of them want to leave that side of the operation? I hear the lifestyle is pretty good there?
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 11:42   #314 (permalink)
 
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Think the lifestyle is good everywhere bar 737 VAA east coast.
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Think the lifestyle is good everywhere bar 737 VAA east coast.
which is the majority of the VA group.
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 18:19   #317 (permalink)
 
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Anyone here please kindly advise how long it may/will take for referee checks please currently? Many thanks!
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Old 15th Jul 2017, 01:51   #318 (permalink)
 
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****WARNING****

VA are now recruiting direct entry to 737 domestic positions. If they offer you ATR do not accept! Unless of course you want to live in CBR or SYD for the next possibly 10 years (or you are a cadet). Given the current EBA that's a definite time frame.

Forewarned is forearmed
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Old 15th Jul 2017, 11:51   #319 (permalink)
 
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Start date is in august mate. Best bit is the candidate was originally offered ATR.

When you say eligible you mean internals? That seems a bit high but I'll buy it.

Morale? We don't need no stinking morale...
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Old 15th Jul 2017, 12:53   #320 (permalink)
 
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VA recruitment ad

If you read the job ad further down regarding Australian-base 737 FO positions, it clearly states that it is VIA the New Zealand operation.

Straight from their website:
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...pilots can at this time expect entry into the Virgin Australia Group via Australian based Fokker 100 First Officer, Boeing 777 Second Officer and ATR 72 First Officer roles as well as New Zealand based Boeing 737 First Officer roles.
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