Virgin Embraer Fleet

[cuberoute]

I heard the Ejet is to be phased out ?

Is this true ? What will replace it ?

[PoppaJo]

I think it will be more a slow exit over the next few years. Bit like QF with the 767s.

737 will replace it.

[PPRuNeUser0161]

Yes its true

Replaced by the air it used to fly in!

SN

[Higs]

They realised that they have more aircraft types than Ansett did and they owe about as much money as Ansett did and what Happened to Ansett... I would say there is more to be done..

[jarden]

They also replace some E190 routes with the F100.

[The Green Goblin]

If they don't get some more revenue in the coffers, or the major shareholders stop topping them up, they'll be lucky to have anything flying by the end of the year.

Doesn't mean anyone else is safe. Far from it. If another player got in on the carcass (lion air, air Asia, etc), The incumbent could be next.

[chuboy]

Company confirming today the Embraer fleet will be completely phased out over the next 3 years.

Some ATRs to go as well.

[TBM-Legend]

....don't forget some people too!

[Icarus2001]

[empacher48]

Is it just me, or does Virgin appear to be the only ATR operator in the world that doesn't make money with them?

[wheels_down]

14 E190s and a couple of ATRs, that's a 20% fleet reduction. That's a lot of jobs gone.

I heard they have big plans for Tiger going forward. Perhaps opportunities there?

[Ollie Onion]

Perhaps they are looking at getting into the low cost end of the market............

[chuboy]

I thought I heard the 737 crew were getting stretched pretty thin with rostering. Any chance the Ejet drivers can change types? It would cost VA less than a redundancy package I would have thought.

[SHVC]

That's the plan chuboy

[AuzPilot]

A major announcement soon concerning Alliance Airlines and Virgin. Alliance will become part of VARA and many E190 and ATR runs to be flown by Alliance F100's and F50's. Whether major Alliance shareholders will finally sell and take the money is not known, but Virgin is cashed up from the share rights issue some time back, that can only be spent on growing the airline, not retiring debt. As a VA insider looking at the arrangement, it is probably a far better investment than the Skywest deal.

[yossi91_tays]

So, what aircraft are they replacing all the ERJs with?..

[Goat Whisperer]

It would make sense. Rex next?

[PPRuNeUser0161]

ATR was always the WRONG aircraft for Australia, especially when you consider what the opposition are using. E190, also WRONG aircraft but for different reason, it wont yield the profit VS a turboprop. I would say the penny has dropped and they need to sort this out, the big question is will that set up a profit making outfit or will it continue to bleed.

My guess is the blood will continue to flow. Deep structural change needed at VAA.

Goat
Its not REX who should be afraid of VA, quite the opposite in fact. All REX needs is an investor and a few 73's and they have a ready made complete airline.

SN

[VH-FTS]

So in your expert opinion, why was the ATR always the wrong aircraft for Australia? And don't say geographical spread because there are plenty of sectors suitable.

Perhaps it has just been poorly managed since day one? Maybe because a majority of eggs were placed in the FIFO basket instead of focusing on becoming a true regional airline?

[splat72]

A major announcement soon concerning Alliance Airlines and Virgin. Alliance will become part of VARA and many E190 and ATR runs to be flown by Alliance F100's and F50's. Whether major Alliance shareholders will finally sell and take the money is not known, but Virgin is cashed up from the share rights issue some time back, that can only be spent on growing the airline, not retiring debt. As a VA insider looking at the arrangement, it is probably a far better investment than the Skywest deal.


Plenty of experienced and current Fokker 100/70 crew in Cairns and Brisbane who work for an operator further north looking for a new job to.