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Old 11th Feb 2016, 20:36   #1 (permalink)
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VIRGIN fleet review

Well it's official all the E170 finally sold off and the beginning of the E190 sell off with the sale of 5 all ready. I hope VIRGIN have jobs for all the displace F50 and E190 Australian Pilots.

As rumour has it they are sponsoring the 457 visa holders.
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 21:23   #2 (permalink)
 
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I am surprised that they are owned and not leased.
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Old 11th Feb 2016, 23:33   #3 (permalink)
 
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I don't know a lot about the E190 or 170's beyond the fact they are supposed to be very comfortable and popular with passengers. But clearly Virgin are not madly in love with them based on their gradual reduction in the number they operate.

Why is that? Is it a fuel burn issue over an alternative type, do they have high operating/maintenance costs or is it simply the routes that they fly on are not economic? Any thoughts?
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 02:25   #4 (permalink)
 
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I think the airlines (well both majors in Australia) are in the processes of reducing the main types in their fleet. Economies of scale and all that type of stuff. I think shortly you might see one type between Virgin and Tiger, and I hear rumblings that Q is going to make an announcement over the next few months about the replacement for the 738 that could ruffle a few short haul feathers!

There seems to be a lot of consolidation going on while the going is good....the low fuel prices won't last forever.
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When I was involved with them (back when they were new) the E Jet seemed like a good idea. The first issue was they just didn't have the legs to do east to west coast non stop and even today the only E Jet that comes into PER comes from ADL.

The E170 was taking good loads out of TSV to CNS, ROK, CBR and from memory they went to the Gold Coast as well. For some reason this was all stopped.

I'd say the fleet mix and engineering was an issue which Godfrey didn't see coming. Back then Virgin we're doing some weird things and I think sometimes emotion was driving decisions more than good business.

I'd say that now if they're getting rid of the E Jet it'd be because it makes good business sense.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 05:31   #7 (permalink)
 
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Logistics of a Multi Type Fleet.

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I think the airlines (well both majors in Australia) are in the processes of reducing the main types in their fleet.
One only has to remember back to the AN days when the logistics of operating a multi Type, and widely diversified fleet became both unmanageable in some respects (B767 misguided SB interpretation ) etc. and subsequently uneconomic within the overall business model.

Ya all keep the faith now, and have a good 2016.Regards, BE.
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Well if the rumours are true one airline is about to make their short haul fleet a hell of a lot more complicated.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 11:25   #9 (permalink)
 
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So what are the rumours?
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Probably that one again about Qantas replacing it's 737s with Jetstar A320s on order...flown by Jetstar Pilots.....on New Zealand contracts...does the rounds every now and then
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And the said Jetstar aircraft will be rebranded Q-Link, operated by 'Jetstar'? The J*78's will go to mainline under mainline 787 t&c's and branding? 'Qantas' will become the internation division and 'Qantas Link' the domestic operation? Its just crazy enough to be believable.... very pre 1990's ish too.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 21:12   #12 (permalink)
 
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Shame to see the Emb190 from the Virgin fleet.

The Brazillian bird is one of the nicest aircraft to ride in as passenger.

Hopefully the crew get absorbed into the B737 fleet.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 21:44   #13 (permalink)
 
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The mx in Portugal and more recently Van Nuys must have been pretty pricey
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The Brazillian bird is one of the nicest aircraft to ride in as passenger.
Ain't that the truth, always try to book on the E190 if I can.
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Well it's official all the E170 finally sold off
Did these not be returned to the lessor years ago?
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 05:19   #16 (permalink)
 
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No Skystar, they were subleased to Delta, operated by Compass, a Delta Connection carrier. Probably a mates' deal, they don't operate other 170s, just a whole lot of (similar) 175s.
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I'll throw this one down......Replacing the 170/190 with Bombardier C series. Macquarie Bank have 40 C300 on order, due to be delivered 2017.

If what I've heard is true, it's a Borghetti master stroke. The aircraft is a curfew buster with Geared turbofans, capable of doing SYD-PER.
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empire4, I'd love to believe you're on to something but it's been a while since I suspected any of VA's brass of having that kind of vision.
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40 in 2017, wow they'd better start training soon! The 6x170's and 18x 190's seemed like they took forever when they were training crew.

Where did you hear this left field rumour?
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Syd-per, they could replace the 'mothership'!
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