Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
Just using PDT for rhetorical discussion, I wonder if an E-3 holder would be able to flow to AA mainline. The whole flow thing is much discussed and only time will tell.
I can see if an Australian were to weave the Magic Aussie Spell on some of the local talent and marry into a green card, it wouldn't be an issue. Not sure how the E-3 would affect the theoretical flow situation.
And the AA careers website doesn't address the 4-year degree issue at all (unless I've overlooked something).
I can see if an Australian were to weave the Magic Aussie Spell on some of the local talent and marry into a green card, it wouldn't be an issue. Not sure how the E-3 would affect the theoretical flow situation.
And the AA careers website doesn't address the 4-year degree issue at all (unless I've overlooked something).
I've heard of a couple of other aussies recently going to Skywest on an E3.
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Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT? It appears to be a slightly more costly process to convert these days compared to a few years ago...
Take my situation I went to envoy with my FAA helicopter atp but no FAA fixed wing license at all. They put me through the CTP course at CAE, I paid for my written, then Envoy takes care of my fixed wing ATP on my check ride. I just had to get my Aussie fixed wing license and IR verified by FAA/CASA as that can be used as the basis qualification so long as it's from an ICAO state (just read the FAR part 61). The verification letter is valid for 6 months so you need to time it right to have it in your hand for you interview and then enough time left on it for start date and initial training otherwise you will need a new verification letter to take your flight test if the letter has expired.
There is literally no extra expense to the company in the process except for the fact a foreign pilot needs to get their license verification and TSA clearances for the jet sims which is a lead time thing not really a big cost at all.
Hope this helps.
**note: for what it's worth I know PDT and Skywest are definitely taking Aussies on E3's. Envoy are not at the moment and I have no idea if they will in the future or not, you would have to check with the recruiting department. I'm not sure about the rest.
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Havick,
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?"
I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?
There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived.
And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ?
I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves.
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?"
I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?
There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived.
And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ?
I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves.
Havick,
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?"
I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?
There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived.
And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ?
I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves.
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?"
I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?
There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived.
And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ?
I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves.
Where they send us to do the CTP course didn't have the approval to conduct the written at the time, think they do now but can't be sure so that's why we had to organize it on our own back then. I think as soon as CAE had their testing room set up it was all included.
Think you may have misinterpreted the way I wrote it.
I can't think of any regional that isn't paying for everything except for the FAA written fee.
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I've received a number of PM's asking about the E3 visa requirements so I would like clarify that;
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot.
2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot.
I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa.
The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry.
3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride.
It really is a quick and simple process.
I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail.
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot.
2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot.
I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa.
The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry.
3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride.
It really is a quick and simple process.
I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail.
I've received a number of PM's asking about the E3 visa requirements so I would like clarify that;
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot.
2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot.
I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa.
The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry.
3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride.
It really is a quick and simple process.
I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail.
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot.
2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot.
I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa.
The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry.
3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride.
It really is a quick and simple process.
I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail.
havick,
When I wrote : "I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?", I was asking if you might be aware of any regional requiring new hires to pay and not asking if YOU were PFT. :-))) I knew you weren't. Not terribly clear on my part...sorry for the confusion.
There are so many regionals that it's hard to keep 'em all straight.
I didn't know Envoy sent people to CAE for the ATP-CTP. Thanks for the info...and you too, VH DSJ.
When I wrote : "I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?", I was asking if you might be aware of any regional requiring new hires to pay and not asking if YOU were PFT. :-))) I knew you weren't. Not terribly clear on my part...sorry for the confusion.
There are so many regionals that it's hard to keep 'em all straight.
I didn't know Envoy sent people to CAE for the ATP-CTP. Thanks for the info...and you too, VH DSJ.
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Hi guys and girls. Does anyone know if any Part 135 or Part 91 companies use the E3 visa at the moment? Have been watching this thread with much interest
There's no shortage of US takers for part135/91 gigs as they're using them as a means to get their mins for regionals.
Unless you have a bunch of 802 air tractor firebombing time or some other specialist niche flying that a client contract requires then forget about it.
Just build up your mins in Australia and then apply to one of the three regionals in the US that take E3's
By the way, any 802 air tractor guys that have the mins to be carded as a level 1 USFS contractor pilot are making anywhere from 150-250k usd in a busy 6-7 month US fire season. $500/day standing rates and$500/flying hour
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There's a big shortage of GA multi-engine instrument instructors in the US as many have left for regionals or part 135/91 operations. One MEI student I know had to wait 3 months before they could find an instructor to finish his training. Even a 'career instructor' I know with over 12,000 hours of dual given has joined a regional just for the free jet type rating. Not many airlines around the world offer that these days, and by free, I mean absolutely free without bond or even minimum years of service.
With Donald Trump "putting America first" I doubt any scheme offering jobs to foreigners will last very long. It would be a risky move indeed to move half way across the globe and then find the gate bolted shut.
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It has nothing to do with Trump. The FAA brought in the rule requiring 1500 hours and an ATP for a SIC Part 121. That meant that a High School graduate who wanted to fly in the airlines would have to find a job in something else at low pay for 8 years or so before even having an opportunity to apply for a job as a SIC in a Regional airline for 20K or slightly more a year. If a degree was included the time would be 4 years more and more debt.
So the inevitable happened and hardly any youngsters are interested in the career.
The airlines, with so few young'uns available, have resorted to going after anybody with more than 1500 hours so long as they can breath unassisted and giving them jobs.
There are precious few of them either, resulting in a severe shortage of pilots in the US and no sign this will ever sort itself out.
I run a Part 135 operation and cannot find pilots, any age, sex, experience.
Not good for me, and not good for you either, if I (and many others) go out of business there go the jobs.
So the inevitable happened and hardly any youngsters are interested in the career.
The airlines, with so few young'uns available, have resorted to going after anybody with more than 1500 hours so long as they can breath unassisted and giving them jobs.
There are precious few of them either, resulting in a severe shortage of pilots in the US and no sign this will ever sort itself out.
I run a Part 135 operation and cannot find pilots, any age, sex, experience.
Not good for me, and not good for you either, if I (and many others) go out of business there go the jobs.
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As I said in a previous post in the US forum Havick
Thanks for the advice Havick. I am getting a little night in OZ but very slow and 200 odd short on TT. I guess the latest visa/immigration talk from the states has a lot of us not knowing whether the E3 will be around or not in the near future.
Hence my response to chimbu's comment.
Good to see your right onto it
Thanks for the advice Havick. I am getting a little night in OZ but very slow and 200 odd short on TT. I guess the latest visa/immigration talk from the states has a lot of us not knowing whether the E3 will be around or not in the near future.
Hence my response to chimbu's comment.
Good to see your right onto it
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"One US recruiter has told clients a draft executive order being considered by Mr Trump would direct a wholesale review of a range of popular visas to assess whether foreign workers are disadvantaging American citizens..."
While it's impossible to predict what the kakistocracy will do, it's a tough sell to claim that Aussie pilots are "...disadvantaging American citizens..." by coming here to fly for a regional carrier. It's administratively easier for an airline to hire its own citizens than a foreign national and these airlines always look for the easy way out.
So, if there were enough US nationals seeking (or able...or willing...to seek) the spots, they'd have no reason to turn to expats. Aussies don't get paid less than US citizens in the airline example; the pay is equally inadequate.
While it's impossible to predict what the kakistocracy will do, it's a tough sell to claim that Aussie pilots are "...disadvantaging American citizens..." by coming here to fly for a regional carrier. It's administratively easier for an airline to hire its own citizens than a foreign national and these airlines always look for the easy way out.
So, if there were enough US nationals seeking (or able...or willing...to seek) the spots, they'd have no reason to turn to expats. Aussies don't get paid less than US citizens in the airline example; the pay is equally inadequate.
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Anyone reading this. Don't believe the nonsense that some of the people spread on this thread unless it comes from someone who has first hand experience.
SkyWest is definitely hiring Australians for positions. CRJ and ERJ. anyone who meets (or will meet) requirements by the time you complete sim.
Also know that the FAA requirements require only 75 hours night depending on other conditions are met.
Its an E3 visa
Degree not required
FAA license not required
SkyWest pays for accommodation while completing license verification and CTP(MCC) course. They also pay for you to complete said course.
Employing 60 pilots a fortnight
SkyWest is definitely hiring Australians for positions. CRJ and ERJ. anyone who meets (or will meet) requirements by the time you complete sim.
Also know that the FAA requirements require only 75 hours night depending on other conditions are met.
Its an E3 visa
Degree not required
FAA license not required
SkyWest pays for accommodation while completing license verification and CTP(MCC) course. They also pay for you to complete said course.
Employing 60 pilots a fortnight
Yes, there are better regionals than XJT (CRJ side of the house...I don't know about the other) in terms of upgrade, long term future, affiliation with majors, etc. But if you're just trying to get in here, get an FAA ATP and some jet time, don't take XJT off your target list. I don't hear any complaints about their training.