Qantas Fleet Order Speculation
Mate, it's a rumour network. I've heard from a number of sources. Would I bet the house on it? No
My understanding is that most of these are for are you waiting,yes, something that is foreign to Qantas but expansion and new routes. Perth Europe direct and Brisbane Dallas been two mentioned. The 787 is not a 747 replacement and I think they are looking at the 777X or A350-1000 to replace the 747. My take is that in under ten years nearly all pilots in Qantas long haul will be effectively on a B scale less money, more hours flying per bid period.
My take is that in under ten years nearly all pilots in Qantas long haul will be effectively on a B scale less money, more hours flying per bid period.
Now hopefully we will get a look at it in the next couple of weeks
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At a recent Qantas AGM, AJ put a great emphasis on a delay of the B787 order, purportedly arranged with Boeing and supposedly a delay of 1 year, from 2016 to 2017.
I know for a fact, that the timeline, at that time, had only one 787 planned for arrival in 2016 (Nov/Dec I believe). So while the market lapped up a delay of one year, assuming this was a delay of the whole fleet by a year, in reality it was delaying the first aircraft by a couple of months. Smoke and mirrors again where the perception is more important than the reality.
I've heard that current plans are for 7 aircraft arriving in 2017 with this being just the start of a large fleet.
Of course this still hinges on the board signing off on it. It's just a plan. I hope it comes to fruition.
I also echo the comments preceding to give a hearty thanks to all of those involved in the negotiation process. It is great to finally see the negotiation process conducted in a forthright but respectful manner.
See what can be achieved when Oldmeadow et al are taken out of the negotiation process. These "professional negotiators" have been the single greatest impediment of meaningful negotiation over the years. Quite why Qantas has engaged them over the years I will never understand. It should be clear, now, that they have no place in negotiations anywhere within the Qantas group.
I know for a fact, that the timeline, at that time, had only one 787 planned for arrival in 2016 (Nov/Dec I believe). So while the market lapped up a delay of one year, assuming this was a delay of the whole fleet by a year, in reality it was delaying the first aircraft by a couple of months. Smoke and mirrors again where the perception is more important than the reality.
I've heard that current plans are for 7 aircraft arriving in 2017 with this being just the start of a large fleet.
Of course this still hinges on the board signing off on it. It's just a plan. I hope it comes to fruition.
I also echo the comments preceding to give a hearty thanks to all of those involved in the negotiation process. It is great to finally see the negotiation process conducted in a forthright but respectful manner.
See what can be achieved when Oldmeadow et al are taken out of the negotiation process. These "professional negotiators" have been the single greatest impediment of meaningful negotiation over the years. Quite why Qantas has engaged them over the years I will never understand. It should be clear, now, that they have no place in negotiations anywhere within the Qantas group.
What about the fact that Jetstar is currently advertising for LAMES and AMES to setup a maintenance base in AKL, preferably '787' rated says the ad. That would fit nicely with the rumour that Jetstar will be getting the first few 787-9's with the 787-8's going to mainline.
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Hi Ollie
looks like a 787 license is NOT essential for that job. Remember, Jetstar already operate the 787 and I would guess that they would like the applicant to have the license so if they send the 787 to Auckland, they could sign off on a fix.
This doesn't support any rumour that 789's are going to Jetstar.
Plus, it's not setting up a maintenance base in AKL. The advertisment clearly states "line maintenance"
looks like a 787 license is NOT essential for that job. Remember, Jetstar already operate the 787 and I would guess that they would like the applicant to have the license so if they send the 787 to Auckland, they could sign off on a fix.
This doesn't support any rumour that 789's are going to Jetstar.
Plus, it's not setting up a maintenance base in AKL. The advertisment clearly states "line maintenance"
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What about the fact that Jetstar is currently advertising for LAMES and AMES to setup a maintenance base in AKL, preferably '787' rated says the ad. That would fit nicely with the rumour that Jetstar will be getting the first few 787-9's with the 787-8's going to mainline.
I would not be surprised at all to see the 800s be transferred to Qantas, where they should have been in the first place, but they won't be replaced with another long haul aircraft. They would make a nice domestic replacement for the A330.
Any truth to the rumour that QF are going after leases on the five ex-Skymark A330s? Apparently the deal for ANA to take them over has fallen apart and things are getting nasty between them and the leasing company, Intrepid Aviation, and Qantas is willing to pay a higher lease rate...
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I understand the decision to send EBH/I back to the lessors was made some time ago (during the darkest days) and, due to the aircraft being placed elsewhere, that decision couldn't be reversed.
The Skymark A333's were in a 2-3-2 config and last I heard they required extensive rework not just on the seating but also the PSU's in the ceiling need to be changed to accomodate additional seats per row, also apart from the 5 stored in the US there is some newbies at the factory in TLS too. No biggie but they all feature the enhanced cockpits as well, A330-343E's and RR Trent's. Fingers crossed they end up painted red and white.
Out of interest does anyone know where -EBH and I are heading post QF?
Out of interest does anyone know where -EBH and I are heading post QF?
Nunc est bibendum
I think we still have options on 2 A380s? Whilst I don't reckon we'll get them I think Airbus will want the money for them one way or another. I suspect if we wanted more A330s then this is where the $$$ could come from.
Lots and lots of rumours swirling around too. Retelling many of them would betray some sources. Suffice to say that the light at the end f the tunnel is looking much less like an oncoming train and more like the dawn of a new day...... at least until Russia invades the Ukraine to start WWIII or Ebola breaks out of africa in a big way.
Lots and lots of rumours swirling around too. Retelling many of them would betray some sources. Suffice to say that the light at the end f the tunnel is looking much less like an oncoming train and more like the dawn of a new day...... at least until Russia invades the Ukraine to start WWIII or Ebola breaks out of africa in a big way.
2 long range A380s would be handy for DFW.
About time there was some good news for you QF fellas. Lets hope the announcements are soon and plentiful. Its the only hope for anyone wanting a career flying job in Oz.
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Anyone know what sort of moolah they're talking for the seven-eighty-seven?
As keg says, the rumour mill is going ballistic. And for a change, it all seems to be good news. Fingers crossed.
The hourly rate I believe is $300 an hour but there are no night credits or unplanned overtime. My numbers indicate a Capt will earn about $320,000 however they will fly more days and earn less money than present Capts doing the same trip. Be under no illusion the aim is within ten years to have every present long haul pilot flying on these pay rates. The saving to Qantas is massive. Back of an envelope figure $200 million a year.If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Any way you look at it it's a B scale.
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Tks dragonman, but I'd heard night credits were staying for 2 and 3 man crews? That rate is about 7% above the yr 12 744 rate I think, for a much smaller airplane - so would have to at least partially compensate for no planned O/T. It seems obvious to me that they will be earning "less money than present Capts doing the same trip" - because the only ones doing those trips are currently 744 and 380 pilots in much bigger jets...
