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so extra $200/hour for an extra 14-18 seats, seems a pretty good deal + have flight attendant & toilet in a much bigger aircraft.
Also Rex having 52 of these birds flying around, gives them some sort of credibility.
Also Rex having 52 of these birds flying around, gives them some sort of credibility.
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suggest it's about getting from northern Auckland to Wellington, not the other way around.
NZWP-WLG in an prop would be around 1.20-1.30minutes
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Rex makes profit through economy of scale, a new start up with a Saab will probably have operating costs per seat 30% higher. Rex has an extremely good working relationships with Saab, GE and numerous other parts suppliers, they do their own maintenance and own the whole fleet outright. I would guess Rex can operate a 340 for less than a leased 1900.
Although these routes make money, I'd say the main profit is from the competitive major regional routes. Apart from the Queensland routes the few others are non-subsidised, just exclusive rights.
A better example of what can be done with a Saab fleet is Silver airlines, all the majors had abandoned a lot of small routes in the US. Silver has shown they are still viable with the Saab and is expanding rapidly.
Although these routes make money, I'd say the main profit is from the competitive major regional routes. Apart from the Queensland routes the few others are non-subsidised, just exclusive rights.
A better example of what can be done with a Saab fleet is Silver airlines, all the majors had abandoned a lot of small routes in the US. Silver has shown they are still viable with the Saab and is expanding rapidly.
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so much faster out of RNZAF base & no stress.
No long drive from northern Auckland to AKL.
No long walk from car park.
No long check in lines.
No stupid security nonscience. Bend over please(rubber glove)
No congestion on runway.
Much faster to board up to 34 pax, than up to 160+ pax.
Saab would be faster to climb, slower on cruise, so block times aren't that different.
Time savings above more than compensate for slower cruise.
Guessing around 90 mins saved in each direction, that's 3 hours return.
No long drive from northern Auckland to AKL.
No long walk from car park.
No long check in lines.
No stupid security nonscience. Bend over please(rubber glove)
No congestion on runway.
Much faster to board up to 34 pax, than up to 160+ pax.
Saab would be faster to climb, slower on cruise, so block times aren't that different.
Time savings above more than compensate for slower cruise.
Guessing around 90 mins saved in each direction, that's 3 hours return.
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You know it, I know it, but the public has been conned into thinking airport security does anything at all, in terms of making flying any safer.
What happens at other shared airports in NZL ?
Is it Blenheim where air force & civil share runway ?
Even if KRA had to have their own separate "terminal", it wouldn't need to be very big for a few 34 seater flights a day.
Apparently, you don't have to go through any security if flying on a turbo prop in NZL, just like you don't in OZ if aircraft MTOW is under 20 tonnes & no other aircraft over 20 tonnes operating from that airport.
eg. most Rex regional ports in OZ, with DBO being the exception, although Rex were trying to fight that, because Dubbo council has to have security for QF Q400's.
What happens at other shared airports in NZL ?
Is it Blenheim where air force & civil share runway ?
Even if KRA had to have their own separate "terminal", it wouldn't need to be very big for a few 34 seater flights a day.
Apparently, you don't have to go through any security if flying on a turbo prop in NZL, just like you don't in OZ if aircraft MTOW is under 20 tonnes & no other aircraft over 20 tonnes operating from that airport.
eg. most Rex regional ports in OZ, with DBO being the exception, although Rex were trying to fight that, because Dubbo council has to have security for QF Q400's.
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this news is over a month old. It's not over by a long shot.
Why wouldn't they keep plugging away ?
Govt can change it's mind in a heartbeat.
Great idea that should be pursued.
Why wouldn't they keep plugging away ?
Govt can change it's mind in a heartbeat.
Great idea that should be pursued.
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By the time KRA get an AOC and a proposed start date of late 2015 early 2016 he might find some of the routes already filled by another new entrant, which will make it even more difficult.
The proposed route structure doesn't appear to have much leeway for an aog aircraft especially with ZQN curfews?
Plane stuck in ZQN leaves chance of zqn/nsn/pmr/trg all without any flights for the day which could make it hard to keep the customers loyal.
The proposed route structure doesn't appear to have much leeway for an aog aircraft especially with ZQN curfews?
Plane stuck in ZQN leaves chance of zqn/nsn/pmr/trg all without any flights for the day which could make it hard to keep the customers loyal.
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you're kidding right.
Who wants to go to the biggest toilet in NZL (AKL) when their might be a stress free alternative, that's saves you up to 4 hours on a return trip to WLG.
How do we get up to 4 hours ?
1) say 1 hours driving, no longer required (depends on exactly where in northern Auckland you live).
2) finding a car park & then walking to terminal
3) bend over q's
4) minimum check in time - no one would plan on checkin for any domestic flight out of AKL less than 30 mins prior.
If you live only few kms from RNZAF base, you might only need to arrive at airport 5-10 mins before departure. If have bags you can carry them to aircraft yourself.
BUA's (big ugly airports) are great for the operators, but terribly inefficient for the passengers.
This is why alternative airports are being looked at in BNE, SYD & MEL.
RE ff pts. Most people get the majority of their points from credit cards not flying.
& apart from public servants, who has time to swan around a lounge.
What you are forgetting is, at an alternate airport, there are no congestion delays like at BUA's.
Who wants to go to the biggest toilet in NZL (AKL) when their might be a stress free alternative, that's saves you up to 4 hours on a return trip to WLG.
How do we get up to 4 hours ?
1) say 1 hours driving, no longer required (depends on exactly where in northern Auckland you live).
2) finding a car park & then walking to terminal
3) bend over q's
4) minimum check in time - no one would plan on checkin for any domestic flight out of AKL less than 30 mins prior.
If you live only few kms from RNZAF base, you might only need to arrive at airport 5-10 mins before departure. If have bags you can carry them to aircraft yourself.
BUA's (big ugly airports) are great for the operators, but terribly inefficient for the passengers.
This is why alternative airports are being looked at in BNE, SYD & MEL.
RE ff pts. Most people get the majority of their points from credit cards not flying.
& apart from public servants, who has time to swan around a lounge.
What you are forgetting is, at an alternate airport, there are no congestion delays like at BUA's.
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no disagree completely.
Have a look at www.surfair.com in USA.
People at sick of the BS at BUA's.
Majority of people who fly BNE/SYD, SYD/MEL or AKL/WLG for a day trip, aren't going for 2 hours at their destination.
They go early am & come home after 1700.
They don't want to be wasting time in airline lounges. They'd rather be at home with family.
Have a look at www.surfair.com in USA.
People at sick of the BS at BUA's.
Majority of people who fly BNE/SYD, SYD/MEL or AKL/WLG for a day trip, aren't going for 2 hours at their destination.
They go early am & come home after 1700.
They don't want to be wasting time in airline lounges. They'd rather be at home with family.
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& tomorrow KRA might get approval. You seem to think it's set in stone. It's only the air force. They will do as they are told.
Don't have anything to do with KRA, but they have a good plan, flying monopoly routes, for which business types will pay for the convenience.
Wilson got screwed last time by very dodgy tactics of that broke airline NZ, so you have to give him a go for trying.
Don't have anything to do with KRA, but they have a good plan, flying monopoly routes, for which business types will pay for the convenience.
Wilson got screwed last time by very dodgy tactics of that broke airline NZ, so you have to give him a go for trying.
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Don't have anything to do with KRA, but they have a good plan, flying monopoly routes, for which business types will pay for the convenience.
Talk of linking the likes of Nelson to Queenstown to cater for tourists. How many tourists do you think each year travel directly between those two points without visiting points in between. Close to zero probably as they'll virtually all be heading to intermediate points via road transport (the glaciers etc).
Who then seriously thinks a regional air service is sustainable by once a year travellers who will moan and voice their displeasure at an airfare that actually reflects the cost of offering the service?
If he wanted to use NZWP, wouldn't you ensure your ducks are in a row before releasing a statement to the media and having the government immediately say "ummm....no you can't?" Looks amateurish. NZWB is joint use BUT the terminal is not on RNZAF land and one is not required to enter an RNZAF facility to board your plane. NZWP has an entirely different layout and the defence forces in most countries generally aren't happy about having people just strolling around their facilities.