Fly Pelican to start RPT
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Back to the topic. Any word on their start date to MDG? Has the NSW Government issued the route licence and how did they go securing the old Brindabella slots in SYD?
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Fly Pelican has got a departure slot time of 6:55am. Apparently there are no other slots available between 7am and 9am.
Because the Aircraft overnights at NTL, it must depart there before the 6am curfew which has caused some issues with the RAAF. Will see what happens...
Because the Aircraft overnights at NTL, it must depart there before the 6am curfew which has caused some issues with the RAAF. Will see what happens...
1/. I have heard start date is close
2/. EOI has not been called for the Mudgee route licences and will not be called until after the NSW election, because the NSW Govt is in caretaker mode.
3/. Assuming the Libs/Nats are returned in NSW, Baird will go to the Governor on Monday and the new cabinet sworn in by the end of the week (2 April) or the following Monday absolute latest.
4/. Last time EOIs were called on a licenced route in NSW, the period was 28 days; So 28-30 days from formation of the new government we can expect EOIs for Mudgee to close and then a couple of weeks for deliberations and licence issue.
All the above said, the MDG Council has committed to about $500k of backing so you would hope their preferred horse comes home!
2/. EOI has not been called for the Mudgee route licences and will not be called until after the NSW election, because the NSW Govt is in caretaker mode.
3/. Assuming the Libs/Nats are returned in NSW, Baird will go to the Governor on Monday and the new cabinet sworn in by the end of the week (2 April) or the following Monday absolute latest.
4/. Last time EOIs were called on a licenced route in NSW, the period was 28 days; So 28-30 days from formation of the new government we can expect EOIs for Mudgee to close and then a couple of weeks for deliberations and licence issue.
All the above said, the MDG Council has committed to about $500k of backing so you would hope their preferred horse comes home!
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NAA = Narrabri.
Vincent used 34-36 seater Saab 340's. Fly Pelicans aircraft are only 19 seaters we think, so economies of scale aren't there. Maybe Rex can be talked into flying SYD/NAA but only if council comes to the party.
Vincent used 34-36 seater Saab 340's. Fly Pelicans aircraft are only 19 seaters we think, so economies of scale aren't there. Maybe Rex can be talked into flying SYD/NAA but only if council comes to the party.
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Jetgo and a new start up, Northwest Airlines (owned by Airspeed Aviation in Scone) have both expressed interest on the route.
Northwest are planning on using the B1900D and possibly a 30 seater (if demand requires it). They are also planning on basing the airline in Narrabri including establishing a engineering base. Also planning on establishing a link to Tamworth and onto Moree and Brisbane.
Jetgo are keen to operate the route, but are assessing if the route can sustain daily double return services (144 seats per day).
Northwest are planning on using the B1900D and possibly a 30 seater (if demand requires it). They are also planning on basing the airline in Narrabri including establishing a engineering base. Also planning on establishing a link to Tamworth and onto Moree and Brisbane.
Jetgo are keen to operate the route, but are assessing if the route can sustain daily double return services (144 seats per day).
State government figures say a 12 year average of 12,000 pax/year = 230 pax/week.
Double daily on 5 days/week + 2 returns on weekends = 22 sectors/week.
On a 19-seater = 430 seats
On a EMB 135 = 748 seats/week
Double daily on 5 days/week + 2 returns on weekends = 22 sectors/week.
On a 19-seater = 430 seats
On a EMB 135 = 748 seats/week
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Thanks for the numbers Horatio Leafblower, the numbers I have are from 20 years. In order for the route to support anything bigger than a 19 seater long term it would need to linked to another town (Moree) like it has in the past.
Hopefully the council will recognise it's a 19 seat route and support the new (the old charter/flying school) operator and Narrabri will get their air connection back to Sydney.
Horatio do you know when Northwest would commence their service if successful?
Hopefully the council will recognise it's a 19 seat route and support the new (the old charter/flying school) operator and Narrabri will get their air connection back to Sydney.
Horatio do you know when Northwest would commence their service if successful?
When BrindaPeliduck had the route there were a few major issues not related to aircraft size.
Despite the best efforts of the people on the ground and in the aircraft, company policies dictated poor cutomer service outcomes - no refunds, no sympathy, no goodwill.
The Slots went against them - people would drive 2 hours to Tamworth to get the early flight. Added bonus: if the Metro or the J32 broke, there was little backup but if Qlink broke down you could just wait 3 hours for the next one.
The regulated world we live in prevents businesses like airlines from reacting to market conditions. Unable to vary schedules/slots to match your markets, unable to quickly change fleets to respond to fluctuations in demand, 6 months to get a complex type on your AOC, applications assesed by CASA weenies who have never done the thing they are assessing.
....could go on and on...
September is the target, Inshallah.
Despite the best efforts of the people on the ground and in the aircraft, company policies dictated poor cutomer service outcomes - no refunds, no sympathy, no goodwill.
The Slots went against them - people would drive 2 hours to Tamworth to get the early flight. Added bonus: if the Metro or the J32 broke, there was little backup but if Qlink broke down you could just wait 3 hours for the next one.
The regulated world we live in prevents businesses like airlines from reacting to market conditions. Unable to vary schedules/slots to match your markets, unable to quickly change fleets to respond to fluctuations in demand, 6 months to get a complex type on your AOC, applications assesed by CASA weenies who have never done the thing they are assessing.
....could go on and on...
September is the target, Inshallah.
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