300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
The rule of last on/first off should never been allowed to be overruled nor should separate seniority lists for Qantas Long Haul, Domestic and Jetstar have ever been contemplated. All are part of or are the Qantas Group.
You appear to have some knowledge in this area of the law neville. Could you please point me in the direction of the relevant sections of the statutes and the supporting case law?
Personally I believe in the CRJ case the commission was bluffed by an aggressive CEO hell bent on firing the first shot in his war against seniority. Ultimately the cost of any redeployment and retraining would have been met by the Ansett administrators. So IMHO the sale was going through regardless. Once that little job was settled Micheal Jones then proceeded to tell the pilot group that seniority was GONE. I know because I was in the room when he said it.
Fortunately the Hazelton pilots stuck together and denied him the endgame WRT abolishing seniority, albeit it's not as robust as it once was!
The point is, one can never underestimate the lengths (and truth stretching) some managements will go to in the commission, or any other court for that matter (see Joyce and Buchanan's performance in the first Senate inquiry), in an effort to have their own way.
Fortunately the Hazelton pilots stuck together and denied him the endgame WRT abolishing seniority, albeit it's not as robust as it once was!
The point is, one can never underestimate the lengths (and truth stretching) some managements will go to in the commission, or any other court for that matter (see Joyce and Buchanan's performance in the first Senate inquiry), in an effort to have their own way.
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Just imagine the angst if mainline was able to offer 767 pilots access to the 787 out of seniority.
Think it can’t happen - then think again.
Simply asking 767 pilots to choose between voluntary opportunities to fly 787’s in Qantas colours in order of seniority, but working for a Qantas owned crewing company, or personally accepting VR and then applying to the said crewing company to get on the end of the Q, has recently been confirmed by the courts as a legitimate strategy.
Nasty I know, but it does avoid transmission of business issues and would unleash further internal competition amongst group pilots. Not to mention fueling the angst between the AFAP and AIPA.
Think it can’t happen - then think again.
Simply asking 767 pilots to choose between voluntary opportunities to fly 787’s in Qantas colours in order of seniority, but working for a Qantas owned crewing company, or personally accepting VR and then applying to the said crewing company to get on the end of the Q, has recently been confirmed by the courts as a legitimate strategy.
Nasty I know, but it does avoid transmission of business issues and would unleash further internal competition amongst group pilots. Not to mention fueling the angst between the AFAP and AIPA.
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Indamiddle, the CSM told me that the VR payment is a tad over $240K in the hand.
Which they relate to the equivalent of a 3 years after tax payment.
The CSM has over 40 years service & Ive flown with the CSM a lot. So I have no doubt to the accuracy of his/her claims.
Which they relate to the equivalent of a 3 years after tax payment.
The CSM has over 40 years service & Ive flown with the CSM a lot. So I have no doubt to the accuracy of his/her claims.
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Krusty,
The thoughts in the minds of those in high places at QFHQ at the moment would have nothing to do with the business, there would be nothing but arse covering going on. Don't ever fall for the belief that 'management' as a group are conspiring against employees, that is giving them too much credit. The fact is that they are all individuals interested only in their own ends and means.
The thoughts in the minds of those in high places at QFHQ at the moment would have nothing to do with the business, there would be nothing but arse covering going on. Don't ever fall for the belief that 'management' as a group are conspiring against employees, that is giving them too much credit. The fact is that they are all individuals interested only in their own ends and means.
A quick look at the ATO website reveals the important information that leave owed cannot be included in a VR payment. Also, date of receiving a VR payment effects the resultant net payment. The first (approx) $125K income in that tax year is tax free, every incremental dollar is then taxed at a concessional rate.
Obviously the best outcome would be to get a VR payment on 01/07, and have the maximum allowable fraction of that payment made directly into the pilot's super account. Perhaps an agreed amount could be set aside for a subsequent super contribution 366 days later to sweeten the deal?
Obviously the best outcome would be to get a VR payment on 01/07, and have the maximum allowable fraction of that payment made directly into the pilot's super account. Perhaps an agreed amount could be set aside for a subsequent super contribution 366 days later to sweeten the deal?
Gingerbread, spoken like a man that's been around the industry for a while. If you can think of it they can and will do it. Have a look at what the JQ 78 guys get paid. Woeful. They do seem to be parked a lot admittedly so I don't know if they are working that hard.
Question for those in the know. Would the most junior pilots (SOs bar a handful) be mainly on the 747 anyway? How many SOs are on the 747?
Question for those in the know. Would the most junior pilots (SOs bar a handful) be mainly on the 747 anyway? How many SOs are on the 747?
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As far as I can tell, a JQ captain flying 800 hours a year earns about the same as I do flying 800 hours a year- they'll earn more if doing some of those hours on call outs. The problem has been that QF hasn't fostered me for 800 hours a year for the last 5 years due to assigned leave and reserve rosters. Under 'normal' circumstances though, 800- 850 hours a year should be what we're flying.
That 800 to 900 hours was what we used to fly when we operated 30 747s , then along came the brilliant management with to many aircraft types, cancelled routes etc etc and now they blame the pilots for their own ineptitude. Can't wait to see the April traffic figures which are due out shortly.
April will be spotty at best.
Anecdotaly, I flew eight international sectors in April, and polled my crews about their loads. I flew an average of 71%, with four less than half full and four at about 90%. All the crews I asked reported dreadful loads.
Yesterday's trip was 69% full, and we were getting outclimbed by company jets on adjacent routes.
I asked station staff in two out ports and SYD and BNE...their impression is that traffic is returning, Elaine's little Feb. tantrum fading from memory.
WRT to the 767 guys and gals getting the 787 out of seniority: who else would fly it? They are exactly the pilot group that should and would get it, so what's the problem? The aeroplane is slightly smaller than the 330, so the company would no doubt classify it as a bid down. Pay is a discussion for another day, and I hope that it gets tied to the total, audited and verified package provided to any and all executives, including staff travel. Ie: current 767 rates plus maybe 45%
(that last bit was facetious, but only slightly)
Anecdotaly, I flew eight international sectors in April, and polled my crews about their loads. I flew an average of 71%, with four less than half full and four at about 90%. All the crews I asked reported dreadful loads.
Yesterday's trip was 69% full, and we were getting outclimbed by company jets on adjacent routes.
I asked station staff in two out ports and SYD and BNE...their impression is that traffic is returning, Elaine's little Feb. tantrum fading from memory.
WRT to the 767 guys and gals getting the 787 out of seniority: who else would fly it? They are exactly the pilot group that should and would get it, so what's the problem? The aeroplane is slightly smaller than the 330, so the company would no doubt classify it as a bid down. Pay is a discussion for another day, and I hope that it gets tied to the total, audited and verified package provided to any and all executives, including staff travel. Ie: current 767 rates plus maybe 45%
(that last bit was facetious, but only slightly)
The loads reported on the notams are appalling . Averaging about 64% international and 66% domestic. As an aside two employees who were made redundant are taking Qantas to FWA , first hearing was last week and guess what Qantas didn't even bother to turn up.
A word on relative pay rates for the idiots out there...
Reading the missives recently posted by the idiotti like the genitalia-obsessed ballsdeep made me wonder what particular brand of drug it is that they take? Obviously it is not truth serum.
I asked a Seattle based Delta Airlines 330 captain about wages. He makes approximately $250,000/ year US. Parse that out, bitches: his take-home, exclusive of allowances, is $177,500 US. An average line captain on a QF330 makes circa $300,000. After tax that is around $173,500, which is around 163K US. The current purchasing power factor between our two countries is 1.5. (!)
(world bank data here): PPP conversion factor (GDP) to market exchange rate ratio | Data | Table
So, the Delta pilot (and this is broadly the same for widebody twins in the US) makes 62% more fun tickets that I do.
The lesson is that high property prices, and high taxes, are wildly inflationary, and hence result in very high comparative wage demands.
(I do understand that Australia is a lot better place to live than the US, but it is not 62% better, compounding)
I asked a Seattle based Delta Airlines 330 captain about wages. He makes approximately $250,000/ year US. Parse that out, bitches: his take-home, exclusive of allowances, is $177,500 US. An average line captain on a QF330 makes circa $300,000. After tax that is around $173,500, which is around 163K US. The current purchasing power factor between our two countries is 1.5. (!)
(world bank data here): PPP conversion factor (GDP) to market exchange rate ratio | Data | Table
So, the Delta pilot (and this is broadly the same for widebody twins in the US) makes 62% more fun tickets that I do.
The lesson is that high property prices, and high taxes, are wildly inflationary, and hence result in very high comparative wage demands.
(I do understand that Australia is a lot better place to live than the US, but it is not 62% better, compounding)
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The lesson is that high property prices, and high taxes, are wildly inflationary, and hence result in very high comparative wage demands.
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That's a pretty depressing table, compaired to the US we share the top position with Norway and Switzerland as being the most expensive country to live in!
That's a pretty depressing table, compaired to the US we share the top position with Norway and Switzerland as being the most expensive country to live in!
Depressing it certainly is. We are officially number four in the world, but the delta is pretty close between the top ten.
Life has a habit of driving the value of everything back to the mean. So do economies-especially now in the era of free trade and free information. Eventually there will be a levelling of prices. Guess who is going to lose in that little (OK...huge) adjustment.
In the meantime we live in just about the highest cost country in the universe* A lot of that is the overhead of a free medicine, free education, no guns, safety net up the wazoo country, but not all of it. Subtract F-35s, pink batts, NBN etc and the picture would be a bit better. But we do live in a Scandinavian country, only with sun. There is apparently a premium to live here. Too bad that my kids won't be able to, but that's their fault for not paying attention in Calculus.
*universe. I am practicing to become a QF spin meister. Since Earth=Universe, as far as we and the estate agents know, using the grand scale is a free kick towards more impressive rhetoric.
Life has a habit of driving the value of everything back to the mean. So do economies-especially now in the era of free trade and free information. Eventually there will be a levelling of prices. Guess who is going to lose in that little (OK...huge) adjustment.
In the meantime we live in just about the highest cost country in the universe* A lot of that is the overhead of a free medicine, free education, no guns, safety net up the wazoo country, but not all of it. Subtract F-35s, pink batts, NBN etc and the picture would be a bit better. But we do live in a Scandinavian country, only with sun. There is apparently a premium to live here. Too bad that my kids won't be able to, but that's their fault for not paying attention in Calculus.
*universe. I am practicing to become a QF spin meister. Since Earth=Universe, as far as we and the estate agents know, using the grand scale is a free kick towards more impressive rhetoric.
So, the Delta pilot (and this is broadly the same for widebody twins in the US) makes 62% more fun tickets that I do.
I don't like the US particularly, but when you can buy AUD$500k cars etc for USD$150k you do see more merit than you might on the surface!
short flights long nights
How do they manage to have such cheap cars, and I'm talking Porsche, Mercs and such in the States?
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SOPS these are some of the reasons.
Market size 10x AUS, so far more sales to pay for the showroom etc.
No Luxury car tax (33% above $60Kish in AUS)
No 5% import car tariff.
Much shorter boat ride from the factory.
Average sales tax in USA 5.75% rather than the 10% GST.
All adds up to cheaper cars, food, living etc.
Market size 10x AUS, so far more sales to pay for the showroom etc.
No Luxury car tax (33% above $60Kish in AUS)
No 5% import car tariff.
Much shorter boat ride from the factory.
Average sales tax in USA 5.75% rather than the 10% GST.
All adds up to cheaper cars, food, living etc.