When is the next cull at QF Engineering?
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Actually no one has voted on any reduced hours or leave burn,it has been percentages from an online survey.
If and When SP and the ALAEA get the go ahead for a reduced hours roster then i am sure the membership will get to vote.
Actually no one has voted on any reduced hours or leave burn,it has been percentages from an online survey.
If and When SP and the ALAEA get the go ahead for a reduced hours roster then i am sure the membership will get to vote.
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FYI Millet Fanger, super divisions 1, 2, 3 & 3a all have a defined benefit portion so that covers anyone that started before the late nineties unless the have since moved to a later division.
Thanks for the suggestion re taking the money and leaving but I'll be here as long as there's a FULL TIME job for me, swimming in any direction I like.
I hope your right about the formal vote Griffin. I don't trust a survey monkey any more than I trust the QF engagement ratings they often spit out.
Thanks for the suggestion re taking the money and leaving but I'll be here as long as there's a FULL TIME job for me, swimming in any direction I like.
I hope your right about the formal vote Griffin. I don't trust a survey monkey any more than I trust the QF engagement ratings they often spit out.
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Hey company spy. The online survey asked a question to members, whether they would consider moving to a part time arrangement where they only worked half their original hours. 298 out of 802 said they were interested. This is a large number but of course interest is not agreement. If it was a nice little arrangement I suspect 30-40 may actually do it.
The numbers have been shared with the company and because of the initial interest, we are exploring it further. Banana is correct about something, the various super schemes make the implications extremely complicated.
As for reduced hours, the survey is not agreement from a majority that we can agree to something for you. Realistically the base hours could only be reduced during the next EA discussions. The survey results are just a guide for us as we try and work out solutions. If 70% supported something in a survey, I would be confident it would stand a formal vote, far less so for the 55% the 34 hour week achieved.
The numbers have been shared with the company and because of the initial interest, we are exploring it further. Banana is correct about something, the various super schemes make the implications extremely complicated.
As for reduced hours, the survey is not agreement from a majority that we can agree to something for you. Realistically the base hours could only be reduced during the next EA discussions. The survey results are just a guide for us as we try and work out solutions. If 70% supported something in a survey, I would be confident it would stand a formal vote, far less so for the 55% the 34 hour week achieved.
far less so for the 55% the 34 hour week achieved.
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Put the numbers into your FAS/FYS calculation for the defined benefit portion of your super and see how you fair. Anyone who retires in the next few years will have worked for nothing
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Arnold the hard won conditions over many years for unions have not been greater hours but lesser hours. In the 1880s there was a massive campaign to achieve a standard 8 hour day (40 hour week). I'm not sure when it was but some time last century we fought to make the standard week 38 hours.
In much of the building industry unions have fought and achieved a standard 36 hour week. I've spoken to some of their key delegates involved in the transition and their members are dead set against any increase back to 38. Of course less working hours means less pay and more time away from work. Over time the pay passes the previous level and you are left with a better lifestyle.
If it saves jobs in the process and our members support it, of course we will seriously consider it as an option.
In much of the building industry unions have fought and achieved a standard 36 hour week. I've spoken to some of their key delegates involved in the transition and their members are dead set against any increase back to 38. Of course less working hours means less pay and more time away from work. Over time the pay passes the previous level and you are left with a better lifestyle.
If it saves jobs in the process and our members support it, of course we will seriously consider it as an option.
last century we fought to make the standard week 38 hours.
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I doubt it Ngineer.
Tony L has stated that any third party work is to be accomplished " within the future QE manpower footprint".
They want their numbers no matter what.
Even though, under their current wish list on CR selection criteria, they basically wipe out all the younger LAMES and leave themselves with a workforce of primarily over 50's. They are determined to go down a destructive path of contraction.
Anybody who thinks current management has along term plan for QE is delusional.
Tony L has stated that any third party work is to be accomplished " within the future QE manpower footprint".
They want their numbers no matter what.
Even though, under their current wish list on CR selection criteria, they basically wipe out all the younger LAMES and leave themselves with a workforce of primarily over 50's. They are determined to go down a destructive path of contraction.
Anybody who thinks current management has along term plan for QE is delusional.
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The extra contract work fits in their "whitespace"
Not so in SAM. Most of the younger LAME's are safe.
Even though, under their current wish list on CR selection criteria, they basically wipe out all the younger LAMES and leave themselves with a workforce of primarily over 50's. They are determined to go down a destructive path of contraction.
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Well, in Melbourne, if you don't have at least 738 and 330 you've had it.
That pretty much precludes all young guys who have yet to have the training opportunities of their older colleagues.
That pretty much precludes all young guys who have yet to have the training opportunities of their older colleagues.
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Tony L has stated that any third party work is to be accomplished " within the future QE manpower footprint".
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Well, in Melbourne, if you don't have at least 738 and 330 you've had it.
That pretty much precludes all young guys who have yet to have the training opportunities of their older colleagues.
That pretty much precludes all young guys who have yet to have the training opportunities of their older colleagues.
What training opportunities? Half the guys here would love to have just one of those types!
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The training opportunities I refer to are those afforded to either the select few or those that have been in LMO for a long enough period.
As for wanting either of the 738 or 330, as I say, based on the current selection criteria, you need BOTH those types to even stand a chance of surviving this round of redundancies in Melbourne.
Of course, the next round will be even worse. One can see the ultimate objective for Melbourne LMO is ramp staff doing R&D with a couple of super LAMES and a handful of cat A guys for the defects and overnight servicing. Max 10 people per crew.
A scenario no doubt to be duplicated in other ports. With the shame being that even if managements grand design does fail, it won't be before many careers are destroyed.
As for wanting either of the 738 or 330, as I say, based on the current selection criteria, you need BOTH those types to even stand a chance of surviving this round of redundancies in Melbourne.
Of course, the next round will be even worse. One can see the ultimate objective for Melbourne LMO is ramp staff doing R&D with a couple of super LAMES and a handful of cat A guys for the defects and overnight servicing. Max 10 people per crew.
A scenario no doubt to be duplicated in other ports. With the shame being that even if managements grand design does fail, it won't be before many careers are destroyed.
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Can Abbott reduce our redundancy entitlements as they are pushing for in the article below if these pr!cks get there way.
In its “10-point plan” the AIG calls for the prohibition of industry-wide pattern agreements for workers, the winding back of the scheme which guarantees workers their redundancy entitlements, the right of employers to terminate enterprise agreements after they expire (leaving workers on award conditions),
Australia: Socialist Alliance May Day statement -- 'More pain for workers, pensioners, poor' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
In its “10-point plan” the AIG calls for the prohibition of industry-wide pattern agreements for workers, the winding back of the scheme which guarantees workers their redundancy entitlements, the right of employers to terminate enterprise agreements after they expire (leaving workers on award conditions),
Australia: Socialist Alliance May Day statement -- 'More pain for workers, pensioners, poor' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
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I heard one of the old blokes the other day say that he prob should take a package now but he'd keep working while he still enjoyed it. Fair enough but I couldn't help but wonder how much he'll enjoy running from plane to plane blindly penning defects while all the new gun A licences were doing the turnarounds.
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The Govt. have no hope passing any laws that cap redundancy payments so long as the Senate holds its current form.
Not taking a package if you were in two minds now though is risky, if it is a package you are expecting. I think a more likely issue that will face us in a few years will be a massive labour shortage. At Qantas the average age is over 50. They will always need people to fix aircraft and in 10 years, maybe even 2-3, the cupboard will be bare.
They will be screaming for blokes just as they did in Europe, packages will be a thing of the past.
Not taking a package if you were in two minds now though is risky, if it is a package you are expecting. I think a more likely issue that will face us in a few years will be a massive labour shortage. At Qantas the average age is over 50. They will always need people to fix aircraft and in 10 years, maybe even 2-3, the cupboard will be bare.
They will be screaming for blokes just as they did in Europe, packages will be a thing of the past.
At Qantas the average age is over 50. They will always need people to fix aircraft and in 10 years,
