US Navy 7th fleet at the time of LHR disaster.
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US Navy 7th fleet at the time of LHR disaster.
Given that they, The US Navy, have the ability to shut down sections of the GPS satellite system, and given that they were near there at the time, and given there was a RAIM within that time of the approach to the disaster, has anybody asked if this may have had an influence on events.
Sensitive, you betcha!
But somebody has to ask, as our government and regulatory body's won't, (because it may step on sensitive toes), Is it a factor that should be considered?
Cover up? Who said that?
Not me, just asking if this has been explored.
Sensitive, you betcha!
But somebody has to ask, as our government and regulatory body's won't, (because it may step on sensitive toes), Is it a factor that should be considered?
Cover up? Who said that?
Not me, just asking if this has been explored.
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Frank,
I know you're not the only person to voice such concerns. I also know an approach was made to the Aussie ABC to see if they'd be interested in investigating further (4Corners or similar) but nothing came of it.
Whilst I wasn't in the region at the time, from first hand accounts of others who were, I believe that the hypothesis is not without merit.
YLHR = Lockhart River, last known to be situated on Cape York Peninsula, part of the Australian mainland, or EnZed's west island. 
I know you're not the only person to voice such concerns. I also know an approach was made to the Aussie ABC to see if they'd be interested in investigating further (4Corners or similar) but nothing came of it.
Whilst I wasn't in the region at the time, from first hand accounts of others who were, I believe that the hypothesis is not without merit.
................and what exactly does this have to do with DG&P?
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................and what exactly does this have to do with DG&P?
At the end of the day even if the US was fiddling with the GPS they are never going to admit it and whatever evidence you need will be classified.
Same goes for the unusually high number of strange control issues around Exmouth area which just happens to have some US high powered secret transmitting devices around there.
Interesting stuff none the less.
Same goes for the unusually high number of strange control issues around Exmouth area which just happens to have some US high powered secret transmitting devices around there.
Interesting stuff none the less.
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Given that there wasn't a war on in the area at the time of the crash and given that it is not the USN that has the ability to shut down, or actually, re-apply the fudge factor, but the Pentagon, then I think it is highly unlikely that nefarious GPS signals had anything to do with catastrophe. 
Furthermore, the military use a different signal to the civilian one so they had no need to mess with it at all. 
Some people on this forum should really learn and apply Occam's Razor. It really helps in lowering the paranoia levels.
Furthermore, the military use a different signal to the civilian one so they had no need to mess with it at all. Some people on this forum should really learn and apply Occam's Razor. It really helps in lowering the paranoia levels.
Same goes for the unusually high number of strange control issues around Exmouth area which just happens to have some US high powered secret transmitting devices around there
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Frank, good post. Congratulations on speaking up on a topic a number of people secretly agree with you on but haven't been game to say it. I've heard the same whispers and heard anecdotal details but not seen anything on paper. Where's Julian Asange when you need him?
The possibilty exists and logic would dictate that once you rule out all the possible/likely elements then what you have left over is likely to be the cause.
Just for ****s and giggles and as a true story, I have a 'friend' who used to work in Defense. He would never elaborate on what his role actually was other than to say he was a 'data analyst'. I learned years later that this specific term is often given to those with classified jobs than are not meant to be made public. I tried every trick in the book to squeeze something, anything out of him to no avail. He was as stubborn and determined as Alan Joyce in a bank vault. The only thing he ever said was once after a long long session of drinking and after simultaneously viewing a news update on TV which related to radio/bandwidth/airwave/pulse type technology was 'that he had seen things first hand, technologies, that revealed the 'powers to be' had experimented and attained technological advancement in some areas 25 years beyond where
the rest of society is current positioned'. Not to har to dismiss when you look at technology such as the SRS Blackbird and the Stealth Bomber as an example. These aircraft had been designed, created, prototyped, produced and then utilized, flown and tested to their full capacity all while the US government denied their existence. Each contained technology and capabilities many doubted was possible at the time. Who knows what else exits covertly today?
Franks theory a fantasy, lunar cycle mad ramblings or a plausible possibility??
A possibility gets my vote!
The possibilty exists and logic would dictate that once you rule out all the possible/likely elements then what you have left over is likely to be the cause.
Just for ****s and giggles and as a true story, I have a 'friend' who used to work in Defense. He would never elaborate on what his role actually was other than to say he was a 'data analyst'. I learned years later that this specific term is often given to those with classified jobs than are not meant to be made public. I tried every trick in the book to squeeze something, anything out of him to no avail. He was as stubborn and determined as Alan Joyce in a bank vault. The only thing he ever said was once after a long long session of drinking and after simultaneously viewing a news update on TV which related to radio/bandwidth/airwave/pulse type technology was 'that he had seen things first hand, technologies, that revealed the 'powers to be' had experimented and attained technological advancement in some areas 25 years beyond where
the rest of society is current positioned'. Not to har to dismiss when you look at technology such as the SRS Blackbird and the Stealth Bomber as an example. These aircraft had been designed, created, prototyped, produced and then utilized, flown and tested to their full capacity all while the US government denied their existence. Each contained technology and capabilities many doubted was possible at the time. Who knows what else exits covertly today?
Franks theory a fantasy, lunar cycle mad ramblings or a plausible possibility??
A possibility gets my vote!
Is this a reference to Speedbird 38 ? Last "disaster" at LHR before that was BOAC's 707 in April 1968 ... a tad previous to be GPS related.
It was suggested at one time that very high powered RF may have responsible for shutting down part of the fuel or FADEC system on BA038.... esp. as Gordon Brown (then UK PM) was due to fly from Heathrow about that time and there were concerns about RF triggered devices, so allegedly jamming was used.
Like most conspiracy theories it came to naught.
Can't see what GPS would have to do with it.
It was suggested at one time that very high powered RF may have responsible for shutting down part of the fuel or FADEC system on BA038.... esp. as Gordon Brown (then UK PM) was due to fly from Heathrow about that time and there were concerns about RF triggered devices, so allegedly jamming was used.
Like most conspiracy theories it came to naught.
Can't see what GPS would have to do with it.
YLHR Lockhart river crash report
Have another read.
Whilst I can't prove there was no fault with the GPS, it was hardly a slick and well oiled flight operation.
Have another read.
Whilst I can't prove there was no fault with the GPS, it was hardly a slick and well oiled flight operation.
I don't think Frank was saying it definitely was causal to the LHR accident, more the fact that it was dismissed too easily and not properly investigated.
The LHR accident posed so many unanswered questions....like have you noticed how on the original GNSS RNAV plate there was no spot height for South Pap (near where the Metro came to grief) but on the new approach there is?
Food for thought!
The LHR accident posed so many unanswered questions....like have you noticed how on the original GNSS RNAV plate there was no spot height for South Pap (near where the Metro came to grief) but on the new approach there is?
Food for thought!
looking at the overlays on the charts on page 30/287 of the report looks like they had a good track but they descended below MDA without being visual.
Maybe the USN messed with QNH aswell?
Maybe the USN messed with QNH aswell?
The LHR accident posed so many unanswered questions....like have you noticed how on the original GNSS RNAV plate there was no spot height for South Pap (near where the Metro came to grief) but on the new approach there is?
Food for thought!
Food for thought!
Would it have made a difference?
It also highlights one of many deficiencies of the original approach and brings into question why the approach was kept in service for a further 4 years after the accident!
The approach was kept in service for another 4 years after the accident because there was nothing wrong with it. It was compliant with all IFP standards at the time of publication and for the duration of its validity.