old news now, the bid failed......
One reason could be... brand Qantas was stronger than the deal ? (or similar words to that effect..)
Again with respect Sunfish, it really doesn't matter anymore... a lot has changed since that APA stuff, it seems a long time ago now already.. and well documented on here.
today it's a different playing field.... another ballgame.. the game was restructured during the break..
Interesting video from the UNSW school of business late last year..the APA deal was long gone then too sunfish...this CEO reveals his reasons why he joined EI..even he is reassuring.. and positive.. whether you believe it or not.. if I was asked to pick who was the grim reaper out of Sunfish or the CEO in the video, the way things are going this week the CEO in the video would come second... I say this because I believe Qantas will survive and I think it fair to say most people on here feel the same.. deep down...
For the 1st time in years many of us actually in QANTAS see some positive signs for our future.
great words..... I wish for it to snowball in positives...
I have a second wish, all players come out and shake hands and play on the same side for the good of the game... Qantas, is one of the world's best known aviation names, long may it continue..
Some people here might like to ask the engineers how rosy the future is. The studied cruelty of Joyce's continuing treatment of them is disgusting. Refer to the "big announcement" thread for details.
As I said, an organization cannot maintain such behavior towards one section of its workforce while being cosy with another for any length of time. The leopard doesn't change it's spots and neither does the Board.
The leopard doesn't change it's spots and neither does the Board.
Yep, I agree... you do make many valid points, here in Asia, stories like this are doing the rounds.. confusing the situation somewhat........
Emirates sees potential to work with budget Jetstar
(Bloomberg) / 19 October 2012
Emirates said it could work with both Qantas Airways main unit and the Australian carrier’s budget arm Jetstar as it seeks to boost services in the Asia-Pacific region.Emirates sees “a lot of potential” opportunities in working with Jetstar in addition to a planned pact with the Qantas unit, Anand Lakshminarayanan, vice president for route planning, said at the Aviation Outlook Asia conference in Singapore on Thursday.
Discussions with the carrier can’t begin until the Qantas accord receives regulatory approval, he said.
The Qantas venture will help Dubai-based Emirates cut costs and let it add capacity in Australia without hitting a limit on international flight rights, Lakshminarayanan said. Qantas agreed to the pact in September, ditching a 17-year accord with British Airways, in a bid to end losses on international routes.
Senator XENOPHON: In terms of the Qantas Sale Act and the whole issue of subsidiaries—and Mr Johnson referred to this on the last occasion—there is nothing in the Qantas Sale Act that would prevent international routes being flown by Jetstar, for instance, and Qantas becoming a largely domestic carrier. There is nothing in the act that would prohibit that.
Mr Joyce : There is no prohibition in the act against all of our international routes being replaced by Emirates or United one day. The market will dictate who flies internationally and who will survive. I will tell you our intentions. I hope that someday Jetstar can be very big, because that would be great for Australia and the group, because these aircraft would be flying all over Asia. We want Qantas to be in the same position. I want to turn around the international business so that Qantas can have the same growth opportunities that Jetstar has. I absolutely believe that you cannot lock into legislation restrictions on Qantas to somehow ensure that Qantas stays in the race, because it will not happen. If you put those restrictions in place, Senator, all you will be ensuring is the absolute demise of Qantas. It has to be commercial, it has to be flexible and it has to adapt. That is the only way you can ensure what you are saying never happens and it is not our intention. We absolutely want to scrape around to be flying to every continent around the world, but we have to have a commercial entity.
If Qantas is removed from international routes and replaced by Emirates then it is fair to conclude that Qantas would lose its national carrier status.Does the Australian government then negotiate bilateral aviation agreements on behalf of Emirates ? This doesnt appear to have been thought through by the diminutive Irish boofhead.
Qantas has blamed the poor result on the damaging grounding of its entire fleet last October.
"Qantas has ranked consistently in the top 10 airlines in the world for many years, however following the industrial campaign by several unions which disrupted thousands of passengers we anticipated our ranking may slip," a Qantas spokesman said.
Isn't it amazing how they are re-writing history that the unions grounded the fleet now...
Isn't it amazing how they are re-writing history that the unions grounded the fleet now...
Yeah, no end to how low they will go, and the story is a sign that AJ and co are warming us up for some announcement.... note there is a pattern here, it always starts with a tickler from News Ltd... the first port of call for the corporate affairs department to start a spin campaign.... oh that's right, the AGM is just around the corner....
I liked this point from the blog attached to this story written back in June..interesting..
It would be a great move for the brand if they could bring low-cost subsidiary Jetstar back into the Qantas family, if only in name. The more people travelling under the Qantas brand, the more loyalty it will engender and hopefully get more people using the ailing international side of the business too.
Great, let's start working on that joint seniority list....this will be fun to watch. There is something called the Qantas Sale Act that may make it difficult to do. Qantas was always a low-cost carrier, the front paid for the back...just like Cathay does...How much has all this stupidity cost and will cost the shareholder? Get rid of the silly little Irishman, he is out of his depth completely....As for the Chairman, he is an ignoramus....
Since Tiger shifted from the (now defunct) budget terminal in SIN to the SIA terminals the connections to Scoot have become seamless. Or at least more so. It seems that the QF moves are being echoed and improved upon throughout Asia. First mover advantage may soon wane, and the family of QF offshoots relegated to "foreign interloper" status.
After my inflammatory bon mot on the Jit Cunnict* situation I hesitate to dwell too much on this scenario lest I be accused of being too glibly smug about the prospects of job losses in the many subsidiaries. (Which, parenthetically, I am not-but I will never leave a punch line unuttered)
* re anti Kiwi bias: No. They may be my favourite variety of human, and I'd like to retire there. As a troll. But a nice, giving, kind of troll.
"What you have seen in media headlines may have left you with the impression that our response to the challenges before Qantas is to retreat, or just cut back,” Joyce told the American Chamber of Commerce in a speech in August. “That’s not the case. We are undertaking a wholesale transformation of Qantas to make it better and stronger, the premium Australian airline for our times. “Our domestic and international Qantas customers want a great product, both in the airport and on board the aircraft. They want modern, intuitive service – world class service which is distinctly Australian. We aim to deliver just that all the time.
“Which is why we have embarked on a wholesale, multi-year program of investment, training and innovation.”
Joyce says Qantas’s average fleet age is now the youngest it has been since privatisation in 1993 – “younger than the fleets of Cathay Pacific, Lufthansa and the three major American airlines”.
“By the end of 2012, 11,000 Qantas domestic and international frontline staff will have completed our new customer service training program.
“We are shaking up the service culture, loosening the ties, giving our people greater opportunity to freestyle and respond to our customers and their needs.
“We have put in place a ‘closed loop’ feedback system that allows us to evaluate our service based on advice from a panel of almost 13,000 Frequent Flyers.
“We have asked some of our best people to become in-flight coaches, and observe and mentor cabin crew in flight. Customer feedback on those flights is fantastic, and our people are loving the opportunity to showcase their skills.”
What is obvious is that where QF get credit it is despite Joyce and Co, and not because of them. It is the staff who get them the credit, again despite how they are being treated so maybe they should ask staff how they feel.
Oh thats right, they did that and then the results were "buried" in spin.
First a very small plus for Qantas. I have a young person acquaintance who recently started working for the company and has only had a positive experience so far.
However Qantas cannot maintain a split personality and the treatment of its engineers is simply shocking, then there have been the machinations of the Board and senior management - including grounding the airline.
...So while Joyce can gush about a superior product and what customers want and experience the airline will ultimately revert to its old ugly self when pushed.
To put that another way, Hitler spruced up concentration camps and made them look like holiday resorts when the Red Cross visited them - a lick of paint, good food, good clothes, etc........, and after the visit.......
Virgin Australia will pitch Tiger Australia against Qantas low cost subsidiary Jetstar after acquiring 60% of the venture for $35 million.
There will be a more detailed report shortly
Where to now...?
Virgin Australia’s big sky buys continue. It has announced its intention to buy WA based Skywest, which operates ATR turbo-prop flights for Virgin Australia. Virgin Australia has also sold 10% of Virgin Australia Holdings, the company that also owns its international division, to Singapore Airlines for $105 million. This means Singapore Airlines, on its 10% equity, joins Air New Zealand with 19.9%, and Etihad, with 10%, and Richard Branson’s family company, the Virgin Group, with 26%, in the suddenly rapidly growing Virgin Australia enterprise. There will be further reports later today.
It will be interesting to see how Virgin supports Tiger's expansion now and whether Virgin Oz crew get access to that expansion. Shades of Qantas and Jetstar, I'd hate to be on the bottom of the DJ seniority list if they're not prepared to look at integrating the lists!