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Old 20th May 2012, 05:24
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There were two recent rumours that add to Ben Sandiland's comments.

1. That domestic bays in Sydney were being measured up for a re-config to fit the 787.

My response is that this would need to be done for the A330s to return in sufficient numbers to retire the 767 as per the original plan.

2. That there are at least two 787 on the Boeing line in initial Qantas colours. There are supposedly also one or more in Jetstar colours also.

My response to this is that it wouldn't be beyond Qantas to pay for the aircraft to be in Qantas colours for a publicity shoot and then for mainline (international specifically) to pay for them to be painted into Jetstar colours.

I am intrigued at the apparent lack of action to accept the aircraft just 12 months away. I would have thought that we'd be looking at having a sim installed within the next few months and so on. I wonder who will be doing this and who will wear the cost of the sim given that the first bunch of aircraft are still (officially) slated for J*.
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Old 20th May 2012, 05:43
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Qantas wears the cost of everything and Jetstar just makes profit. Isn't that the way it works?
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Old 20th May 2012, 06:02
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Sunfish sums it up well. What the world needs is a global reset. The way things are going is not sustainable. You can't have an economy with little or no workers. You can't have a fair percentage of the population living on government handouts and welfare. When there aren't enough people paying taxes, the government ends up borrowing to pay the welfare and then ends up borrowing to pay the interest on those borrowings. A bit like being maxed out on your credit card, and getting another one to pay for the first one.
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Old 20th May 2012, 06:05
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e). Haven't heard anyone suggest that the deal will be done prior to arbitratio
I think events may be moving too fast to wait for that process. The threat from VBA to the domestic bottom line may make such considerations secondary at best and more probably moot.
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Old 20th May 2012, 07:53
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Kremin,
You mean after delaying for two years the company will be in a hurry for a deal?
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Old 20th May 2012, 08:52
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Recent management movement from Jetstar to QantasLink could suggest that the 787's will be painted in Qantas colours, and operated domestically.
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Tankengine, yep!

A week is a long time in an airline.
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Old 20th May 2012, 09:40
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If you understand the desired end game of Clifford / Joyce and can work back to the current scenario and it all makes sense.

The two aspects are:

1. The destruction of AIPA and the ALAEA,

2. The positioning of the airline for an on market take over, probably by a Dixon / Gregg / Coe led consortium.

Mainline pilots flying the B787 don't factor into that at all. Even if the currently remote prospect of a red tailed B787 does occur, it will not be flown by anyone on the current LH award.

I have sat through multiple staff meetings where I have heard Strambi and other senior use those exact words.
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Old 20th May 2012, 12:25
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Wait....Lyle didn't menttion that at his latest feel good lunch. Are you saying he's not telling us everything!?
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First French Bank is imploding this weekend.

Airbus parts may end up in short supply, as will finance for MRO's.

The Mortgage Crisis Hits France Front And Center: Are French Bank Nationalizations Imminent? | ZeroHedge

Should be fun on the Australian stock market this morning.
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Old 20th May 2012, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Wedcue
Recent management movement from Jetstar to QantasLink could suggest that the 787's will be painted in Qantas colours, and operated domestically.
Are you suggesting the 787's will be run by Qantaslink?!
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Old 20th May 2012, 23:53
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The Chinese have an enormous capacity to support the EURO and, according to high-flyers I know in the finance world, have market-moving buy orders at key-levels.
The Chinese will end up controlling the world financial system one day. Look at the progress they have made in the last thirty years and project forward. Back in the 1980s if you had said China would end up bailing out the US and Europe you would have been laughed at.
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Old 21st May 2012, 04:04
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Yes bbdbism.

They offer Dash 8 drivers the opportunity to fly a brand new shiny jet on pay better than they currently get on the dash. Qantas get Qantas Pilots now flying around Qantas painted 787's. Winner winner chicken dinner.
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Old 21st May 2012, 05:59
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There is no change to the B787 delivery program for Jetstar.

I would not read into Ben's article too much...
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Old 21st May 2012, 09:35
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So T-Vasis who are the Tech pilots introducing the new machine for J*. Whom and where are they? 12 months out and zip. Cant wait to watch this. Come on tell everyone what's really not happening. The lack of evidence says is it all.

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Old 21st May 2012, 10:06
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Didn't Strambie write a letter to AIPA stating all Qantas branded 787s would be flown by Qantas pilots?
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Old 21st May 2012, 12:30
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Trouble is Strambie is management therefore cannot be believed.
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Old 21st May 2012, 14:02
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Strambi's Pedigree

This guy has a checkered past
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Old 21st May 2012, 23:06
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Big statement.
Please explain.
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Old 22nd May 2012, 00:53
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Maybe the new chief executive of Qantas Domestic (Strambi) or the new Head of Qantas International ( Hickey) will have more say in the 787 branding ?
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