Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports
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Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports
So what's going to happen now? No second airport no expansion for YSSY.
No wonder we are forever holding given no one in charge can actually made a decision or at least agree on a course of action.
Interesting contradiction to what the YSSY CEO was saying. Sydney Airport 'can cope' with demand
Badgerys Creek is clearly the best site for a much-needed second airport for Sydney, a major government study has found.
The study also recommends lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85 flights an hour.
The Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning released the joint study into aviation capacity for the Sydney region, which was commissioned more than two years ago.
The study shows Sydney Airport is already struggling to accommodate the demand for flights into and out of the city and, by 2027, the airport will not be able to fit any extra flights.
By 2030, the study shows, another airport is needed if Sydney is to keep growing at its current pace.
Releasing the report, Mr Albanese repeated the government's position it would not build an airport at Badgerys Creek, the south-west Sydney site acquired for an airport between 1986 and 1991.
But the study nevertheless describes the area as the logical and most cost-effective site for another airport.
"It is located close to growing markets in the western regions of Sydney and close to road and rail transport links," the report said.
"In turn, it would provide much needed employment and economic opportunities for the growing residential population of western Sydney.
"The site has been protected from encroaching development and given that the Commonwealth owns the land it would be less costly and disruptive to the community as a development site than other options."
But Mr Albanese instead said the government would begin planning studies for the second-best airport site, Wilton, further to the south-west.
The report, prepared by state and federal bureaucrats as well as private sector representatives, said Wilton would probably not attract enough business to be viable before 2030.
Wilton would become a more attractive airport option if Sydney's future growth extended to the south-west, past Leppington.
Mr Albanese invited representatives from the NSW government to release the report with him but they declined.
The Premier, Barry O'Farrell, has already said he opposes a second airport anyway in the Sydney basin.
Mr O'Farrell has suggested using Canberra Airport, linked to Sydney by high speed rail, as an alternative.
But today's report, more than 3000 pages long, says that is not a feasible option.
Mr Albanese also ruled out lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85.
Read more: Minister rejects Badgerys Creek for second airport
No wonder we are forever holding given no one in charge can actually made a decision or at least agree on a course of action.
The study shows Sydney Airport is already struggling to accommodate the demand for flights into and out of the city
Badgerys Creek is clearly the best site for a much-needed second airport for Sydney, a major government study has found.
The study also recommends lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85 flights an hour.
The Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning released the joint study into aviation capacity for the Sydney region, which was commissioned more than two years ago.
The study shows Sydney Airport is already struggling to accommodate the demand for flights into and out of the city and, by 2027, the airport will not be able to fit any extra flights.
By 2030, the study shows, another airport is needed if Sydney is to keep growing at its current pace.
Releasing the report, Mr Albanese repeated the government's position it would not build an airport at Badgerys Creek, the south-west Sydney site acquired for an airport between 1986 and 1991.
But the study nevertheless describes the area as the logical and most cost-effective site for another airport.
"It is located close to growing markets in the western regions of Sydney and close to road and rail transport links," the report said.
"In turn, it would provide much needed employment and economic opportunities for the growing residential population of western Sydney.
"The site has been protected from encroaching development and given that the Commonwealth owns the land it would be less costly and disruptive to the community as a development site than other options."
But Mr Albanese instead said the government would begin planning studies for the second-best airport site, Wilton, further to the south-west.
The report, prepared by state and federal bureaucrats as well as private sector representatives, said Wilton would probably not attract enough business to be viable before 2030.
Wilton would become a more attractive airport option if Sydney's future growth extended to the south-west, past Leppington.
Mr Albanese invited representatives from the NSW government to release the report with him but they declined.
The Premier, Barry O'Farrell, has already said he opposes a second airport anyway in the Sydney basin.
Mr O'Farrell has suggested using Canberra Airport, linked to Sydney by high speed rail, as an alternative.
But today's report, more than 3000 pages long, says that is not a feasible option.
Mr Albanese also ruled out lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85.
Read more: Minister rejects Badgerys Creek for second airport
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According to a paid panel of government experts they will be powered by a bloody great wind turbine on the roof which will generate electricity and it will then fly on perpetual motion. (once it's started that is). See the same for high speed rail links after the tunnels are modified.
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Recognise that jets today are significantly quieter then they were when the curfew rules were drawn up !!
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Gotta love the whispering T Jet
They were cool. The whole problem with parliamentary democracy is that none of the erky little MPs we pay ****eloads of money to wants to get voted out.
People who hear that an airport/motorway/dam/prison is being planned for their area tend to vote their local MP out after a long, noisy and damaging campaign against the Big Bad Government who's Trampling Their Rights.
In SE Queensland this phenomenon has stymied a major dam project and a second road between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, because any MP in the firing line of these two projects got ousted. Guess what... no pollie since then has gone near roads or dams, despite a serious lack of both.
No doubt every person here can point to a couple of planned (and needed) developments in their area that had the same result. So...a new airport; what's in it for the MPs? People in unaffected seats are probably not going to turn around and say 'Yay! New airport! We'll vote for that'! It's not a big, short term vote winner like a hospital because most voters aren't aware of Sydney's limitations. People in affected seats are going to be preparing banners, bumper stickers and Fookbook campaign sites, so all the MP will get is bad karma in those areas and indifference in the others.
Only when the airport really jams up will our esteemed leaders start looking around at the industry with big, wide eyes saying 'What can we doooo
? No-one told us this would happen'! and expecting a whole airport that can be produced from scratch and built in week.
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Sydney does not need another airport NSW does so develop Newcastle and Canberra and put the billions of dollars saved into road and rail links.
If the RAAF have a problem move them to central Australia.
If the RAAF have a problem move them to central Australia.
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There should only be one International "Hub" in Australia at Alice Springs. This would be run by The Pitinjarra Tribe and Taxpayers would foot the bill.
Internal travel is then via "spokes" from that "hub" which operate the Domestic Fleet. This also would provide a revenue stream for both The Pitinjarra Tribe, The ATO and CASA, all who desperately need the cash.
Sydney movements would reduce by one third, (or one fifth if we apply the same rules as we apply to The Australian Senate), and those States not pulling their share would have their GST funding reduced accordingly.
Minister Albo will be pleased with my input as it impacts favourably on his electorate, (which is all that matters to him.... Oh and fighting Tories), and the spider tracks will be clear for all to see thus removing the need for ADSB below FL290.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Internal travel is then via "spokes" from that "hub" which operate the Domestic Fleet. This also would provide a revenue stream for both The Pitinjarra Tribe, The ATO and CASA, all who desperately need the cash.
Sydney movements would reduce by one third, (or one fifth if we apply the same rules as we apply to The Australian Senate), and those States not pulling their share would have their GST funding reduced accordingly.
Minister Albo will be pleased with my input as it impacts favourably on his electorate, (which is all that matters to him.... Oh and fighting Tories), and the spider tracks will be clear for all to see thus removing the need for ADSB below FL290.
Seems pretty clear to me.
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Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports
Australia, land of the visonary politician and aviation infrastructure
Given that it was a joint report, albeit agreed to by the previous state government then clearly the NSW Government should have been represented by The Hon. Brad Hazzard BA, DipEd, LLB(NSW), LLM(Syd) MP, Minister for Planning and Infrastructure, Minister Assisting the Premier on Infrastructure NSW.
It was disappointing to have such a definitive (and defiant) position was adopted upfront -
Minister Albanese should have more clearly emphasised that the current Labor party platform states "will maintain the cap and curfew at Kingsford Smith Airport" and it was this platform that the ALP took to the 2010 election.
One of the key issues at the moment is that Minister Albanese has distorted the application of the cap. Legislation clearly indicates scheduled movements not actual movements, that is, Airport Coordination Australia (ACA) allocates no more than 80 planned movements in any 60 minute period (checked at 15 minute intervals). This has been changed by Minister Albanese to actual movements (vs scheduled movements) and the airport has introduced measures to count aircraft and at times, hold aircraft at the holding point, that is, not permit an aircraft to get airborne if the 80 figure would be exceeded.
Perhaps the reporter should have asked
It was disappointing to have such a definitive (and defiant) position was adopted upfront -
"the curfew and the cap at Sydney Airport will be maintained".
One of the key issues at the moment is that Minister Albanese has distorted the application of the cap. Legislation clearly indicates scheduled movements not actual movements, that is, Airport Coordination Australia (ACA) allocates no more than 80 planned movements in any 60 minute period (checked at 15 minute intervals). This has been changed by Minister Albanese to actual movements (vs scheduled movements) and the airport has introduced measures to count aircraft and at times, hold aircraft at the holding point, that is, not permit an aircraft to get airborne if the 80 figure would be exceeded.
Now you've been the Federal Transport Minister for over four years now. As the Member for Grayndler, would you have wanted to have made more progress on locking in a second airport by now? Did you think your constituents would have wanted you to?
Perhaps the reporter should have asked
"You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest."
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Australia's traditional conga line of dud Transport Ministers continues
One of the key issues at the moment is that Minister Albanese has distorted the application of the cap. Legislation clearly indicates scheduled movements not actual movements, that is, Airport Coordination Australia (ACA) allocates no more than 80 planned movements in any 60 minute period (checked at 15 minute intervals). This has been changed by Minister Albanese to actual movements (vs scheduled movements) and the airport has introduced measures to count aircraft and at times, hold aircraft at the holding point, that is, not permit an aircraft to get airborne if the 80 figure would be exceeded.
oker89 said, The lack of political will in this country is disgusting.
Perhaps the reporter should have asked Quote:
"You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest."
"You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest."
I think this video sums up the the talentless politicians we have to endure.. it's all me, me me stuff.....(for those who haven't seen it)
Does anyone have a lat and long for the proposed Wilton site of a new airport. The only flat area around Wilton houses the multi billion dollar development Bingara Gorge or land owned by the Australian Rail Track Corp for the Maldon to Dombarton heavy freight rail line.
Are thes pollies on another planet?
Are thes pollies on another planet?
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Photos, diagrams on Plane Talking
Plane Talking has used Google Earth to provide all of that data and done a series of posts digging into the airport issues including the huge graded separation interchange at Glenfield station which seems to anticipate a fast rail link between KSA and BAD gerry's but which nobody seems to have noticed in the papers.
Sydney Airport diemma posed by Wilton site | Plane Talking
The graphics show where 3000 houses are now being built at Wilton.
Sydney Airport diemma posed by Wilton site | Plane Talking
The graphics show where 3000 houses are now being built at Wilton.
Perhaps the reporter should have asked Quote:
"You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest."
"You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest."
With the current tight numbers situation in parliament, it's unlikely that Gillard will pull him into line as the last thing she can afford is for him ( or any other member) to lose their seat. That's why we will not receive any National infrastructure growth ... if it impinges on an ALP-held seat.
IF Gillard was serious about looking after Australia's interest, she could consider moving more portfolios to Senators ... a la Carr. Then she might be able to get some things done and not, seriously, affect sitting Members.
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Major transport infrastructure really needs to be handled by a separate independent non political committee. That way something will get done. However noone is willing to surrender the power to make that happen. As a result we get our current mess which I am sure suits Mac Bank just fine.
Funnily enough Yes Minister did a whole show on Integrated Trasnport policies back in the early 80's. Nothing has changed since then..........and nothing ever will. Which is a sad indictment on our form of governance.
Jim Hacker: "And after all, we do need a Transport Policy."
Sir Humphrey: "If by 'we' you mean Britain that is perfectly true, but if by 'we' you mean me and you and this department, we need a Transport Policy like an aperture in the cranial cavity."
Funnily enough Yes Minister did a whole show on Integrated Trasnport policies back in the early 80's. Nothing has changed since then..........and nothing ever will. Which is a sad indictment on our form of governance.
Jim Hacker: "And after all, we do need a Transport Policy."
Sir Humphrey: "If by 'we' you mean Britain that is perfectly true, but if by 'we' you mean me and you and this department, we need a Transport Policy like an aperture in the cranial cavity."
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Wilton for the New Sydney Airport
The MANS study [Major Airport Needs Sydney] of mid 1980's is the document/ reference to look for in this. Wilton site was around 10km east of freeway (from the freeway/ Picton Road intersection) on the Picton road towards Wollongong - and around 25km)
The Wilton site (centre is approx.-34.259912, 150.694656) , which provides a freeway access to Western Sydney (Sydney Airport is 71 km by freeway and Liverpool 51km and 31 mins - imagine a fast train down the centre of the freeway joining to the inter-urban system!!)
It was part of an old 2nd world war site on the top of the range.
Certainly bears a second look Mr. Fumble-ese!!
The Wilton site (centre is approx.-34.259912, 150.694656) , which provides a freeway access to Western Sydney (Sydney Airport is 71 km by freeway and Liverpool 51km and 31 mins - imagine a fast train down the centre of the freeway joining to the inter-urban system!!)
It was part of an old 2nd world war site on the top of the range.
Certainly bears a second look Mr. Fumble-ese!!