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Old 17th Feb 2012, 22:23   #201 (permalink)
 
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and more often Bagus, either every x months or so many k's what ever comes first.

So, AJ's new fleet would be grounded more often, wouldn't they?
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 05:16   #202 (permalink)
 
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If u look at cars handbook there are more inspection requirement than the older model,so how come aircraft maintenance inspection requirement is less now.
This is depressing and I don't know why I even bother. You can't argue with idiots or Leprechauns but....

Can someone tell me where all these new aircraft that don't need maintenance are? Apart from the 380 (and that seems to be an unfolding story) I can't think of many. I would suggest on that premise that the most rudimentary glance at the QF fleet makeup could only lead one to think we need MORE engineers and maintenance rather than less....
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 06:03   #203 (permalink)
 
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Can someone tell me where all these new aircraft that don't need maintenance are?
I think the idea is that the 787 will reduce the amount of maintenance required because of the type of materials used. Just some sort of a ultrasound will cover the airframe.

However if they keep finding cracks and problems with these new gen aircraft, then the amount inspections and maintenance is going to be nowhere near what is planned and Alan may have to eat his words. However by the time that happens and they need to recruit a large amount of LAMEs Alan won't be around.
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 06:09   #204 (permalink)
 
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Don't 4get when the goose AJ was saying comparing car servicing to A/C he was preaching to the masses out there,the gen public who generally haven't got a clue & believe everything that's on Ch 7, not those of us who know better,pilots ginger beers etc.
QF is hanging on by a thread mainly due to it's good name & the hard working people who are actually QF.


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Old 18th Feb 2012, 06:51   #205 (permalink)
 
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Alan may have to eat his words.
I dont know this .................person???( cant think of any other word that the mods would let go") but one thing I can assure you of is that he will NEVER eat his words, regardless of ANY outcome.
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 07:49   #206 (permalink)
 
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If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ?
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 08:02   #207 (permalink)
 
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If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ?
It is the way to make money in aviation. Take the redundancy every time it is offered.

Wouldn't a percentage of the staff there be contractors though ?
All part and parcel of the package.
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 08:48   #208 (permalink)
 
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I would think 90% work for Forstaff they are not contractors and 5% are qantas staff.
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 09:23   #209 (permalink)
 
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Question. If they close down Brisbane and/or Tulla (anything is likely with these clowns), will all the 457 visas at Avalon be revoked as there is now a surplus of skilled aircraft maintenance engineers?
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Old 18th Feb 2012, 11:54   #210 (permalink)
 
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If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ?
Jethro I would think a publicly listed company like Chandler Macleod would have plenty in the bank if that were to occur for Forstaff Avalon workers. Record profit and revenue in 2011 also.....
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 03:07   #211 (permalink)
 
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457 visa at Avalon? What about the fact ALG are still advertising to supply 457 visa's? One would expect the government to step in on this matter already, but then again its the government that has brought us here in the first place. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. BAN all 457 visa's for the aviation industry. Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 04:50   #212 (permalink)
 
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Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen.
empire4, I don't know what magical wand you expect the ALAEA to wave to fix this. This is bigger than them, and very much the government. The incompetence and ineptness of this government won't stop the blood-letting of QANTAS. Hell, they can't even stop the blood-letting within their own party.

Unfortunately, the only thing that can stop QANTAS going under altogether is the sacking of the board in its entirety and placing actual QANTAS management (those with more than 20 years within the company) in their place. Now out of about 35,000 employees, there will be at least 12 who can do the job and do it for the benefit of the company and for a lot less money than the current board. There isn't one current board member that was a QANTAS employee. The company is a cash cow for them and when the last cent is siphoned off, they will move on.

This board has no historical ties or working ties with QANTAS. To them it is a "brand" and while it lines their pockets, they will milk it.

If you have any better sloutions, then place them on the table.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 05:02   #213 (permalink)
 
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I would like to see Qantas get this guy in on a 457 visa. Would be worth it!

The greatest CEO in the world : theCHIVE
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 08:41   #214 (permalink)
 
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I would have no problem with a CEO making $1million a year so long as he/she does what he/she is meant to do. Run the company to the best they can and grow the company. Make viable decisions and actually know what they are doing.

Better still, have them climb through the ranks of the company before taking the top job. One name springs to mind, John Borghetti. But that's right, the outsiders in the board said he wasn't good enough to run QANTAS and wasn't the right "board material".
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 09:19   #215 (permalink)
 
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empire4 is right why are ALG Looking for 457 VISA Sponsorship Aircraft Maintenance Engineers to work at Qantas ALAEA should be jumping up and down about this.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 10:13   #216 (permalink)
 
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Am I missing something here?

Qantas boss Alan Joyce states a reduction in Heavy Maintanence Engineers is required as new aircraft don't need as much Maintanence.

Whilst Jetstar has set up new Heavy Maintainence bases to maintain a fleet of "newer" aircraft & to train engineers who will maintain aircraft for Asian carriers with "newer" aircraft.

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Old 20th Feb 2012, 08:28   #217 (permalink)
 
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QF 94, one thing is sacking the entire board, then replacing them with QF long term staff. Another thing is the reality of what has happened, is happening and will happen. JB was passed over for the top job. It is all very well to live in an ideal world, however all over the real world CEOs and board members are increasingly being filled with academics straight out of uni or straight from another sinking company. It is a world trend. The board will NOT get sacked before Qantas collapses. I'd bet my house on it!
Secondly, staff at QF have to realise that they can't just think about themselves! Having an abundance of 457 visas will hurt anyone looking for a job when they get made redundant. For years QF staff only look out for themselves when a whole industry needs looking out for. We all know there is a surplus of AMEs & LAMEs in Australia. All 457 visas do is allow companies not to train or pay Australians what they should. This is no way raciest, just nationalist!

Hell Alan Joyce came here on a 457 Visa!
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 11:12   #218 (permalink)
 
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empire4, my suggestion of what would save QANTAS was merely that. A suggestion. I know there is no way known to man that this current board will be removed before the demise of QANTAS.

As for QANTAS staff thinking of themselves. I can't see what's wrong with that. When no one else will look out for you, who's left to look out for you? No one will look out for you like you will.

As for who's looking out for the industry. The ALAEA and AIPA are doing what they can, but when CASA and the big end of town undermine everyone, including the government, the industry is basically stuffed. When companies are allowed to virtually self-regulate, they can do what they want.

It's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed.

ANZ - 1,000
Westpac - 350-450
QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year)
Air Australia - in administration
Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there
Alcoa
Heinz and the list goes on

It seems Australia is great at employing foreigners overseas or bringing them here, and putting local Australians out of work, while the board members get ever increasing paypackets.

Am I selfish for wanting to protect my job and look out for myself. You bet! So should every other worker out there who is going to have their livelihood taken away from them in a diminishing workforce, and all for the benefit of a few snouts in the trough.
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 11:46   #219 (permalink)
 
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t's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed.

ANZ - 1,000
Westpac - 350-450
QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year)
Air Australia - in administration
Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there
Alcoa
Heinz and the list goes on
And this may be a bigger problem then most think. Australian have a record level of personal debt, eg credit cards and houses. A little upset and the ever so great housing industry will start to crack, and before you know it the ranga will bail out the banks with you tax money.

This is all happening with europe going tits up, US in a deep recession/depression, and soon war with Iran. See the trend?
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Old 20th Feb 2012, 20:08   #220 (permalink)
 
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Mikk13, not a pretty picture. Now retired I like to do a little charity work, and set out to do Meals On Wheels, on a weekly run. This is really soul destroying as I meet pensioners who share meat trays, rather feed their cat then themselves, who have worked hard all their lives, have meague savings, if any at all, will not use any power, because simply frightened of the power bills, so I am confronted with turned off fridges, kero lamps, or even worse, candles. Their rents simply take up most of their pension, and have little or none left over. These people are not gamblers, or alcoholics, they have been the backbone of the country, worked all their lives, brought up their kids, and more often than not still try to help their kids, good decent moral people, and in a rich country like this their plight is a disgrace. No plasmas, mobiles, houses, fridges, for them, not like the illegals, just a day to day struggle. Like many of the other blokes that do this run, we find ourselves fixing things that the low landlords will not fix, taking them to the doctors, and doing a myriad of other little jobs just to make life bearable for them, we enjoy it, but the whole thing is a blight on this country and a eye opener for the more privileged.
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