Question. If they close down Brisbane and/or Tulla (anything is likely with these clowns), will all the 457 visas at Avalon be revoked as there is now a surplus of skilled aircraft maintenance engineers?
If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ?
Jethro I would think a publicly listed company like Chandler Macleod would have plenty in the bank if that were to occur for Forstaff Avalon workers. Record profit and revenue in 2011 also.....
457 visa at Avalon? What about the fact ALG are still advertising to supply 457 visa's? One would expect the government to step in on this matter already, but then again its the government that has brought us here in the first place. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. BAN all 457 visa's for the aviation industry. Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen.
Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen.
empire4, I don't know what magical wand you expect the ALAEA to wave to fix this. This is bigger than them, and very much the government. The incompetence and ineptness of this government won't stop the blood-letting of QANTAS. Hell, they can't even stop the blood-letting within their own party.
Unfortunately, the only thing that can stop QANTAS going under altogether is the sacking of the board in its entirety and placing actual QANTAS management (those with more than 20 years within the company) in their place. Now out of about 35,000 employees, there will be at least 12 who can do the job and do it for the benefit of the company and for a lot less money than the current board. There isn't one current board member that was a QANTAS employee. The company is a cash cow for them and when the last cent is siphoned off, they will move on.
This board has no historical ties or working ties with QANTAS. To them it is a "brand" and while it lines their pockets, they will milk it.
If you have any better sloutions, then place them on the table.
I would have no problem with a CEO making $1million a year so long as he/she does what he/she is meant to do. Run the company to the best they can and grow the company. Make viable decisions and actually know what they are doing.
Better still, have them climb through the ranks of the company before taking the top job. One name springs to mind, John Borghetti. But that's right, the outsiders in the board said he wasn't good enough to run QANTAS and wasn't the right "board material".
empire4 is right why are ALG Looking for 457 VISA Sponsorship Aircraft Maintenance Engineers to work at Qantas ALAEA should be jumping up and down about this.
Qantas boss Alan Joyce states a reduction in Heavy Maintanence Engineers is required as new aircraft don't need as much Maintanence.
Whilst Jetstar has set up new Heavy Maintainence bases to maintain a fleet of "newer" aircraft & to train engineers who will maintain aircraft for Asian carriers with "newer" aircraft.
QF 94, one thing is sacking the entire board, then replacing them with QF long term staff. Another thing is the reality of what has happened, is happening and will happen. JB was passed over for the top job. It is all very well to live in an ideal world, however all over the real world CEOs and board members are increasingly being filled with academics straight out of uni or straight from another sinking company. It is a world trend. The board will NOT get sacked before Qantas collapses. I'd bet my house on it! Secondly, staff at QF have to realise that they can't just think about themselves! Having an abundance of 457 visas will hurt anyone looking for a job when they get made redundant. For years QF staff only look out for themselves when a whole industry needs looking out for. We all know there is a surplus of AMEs & LAMEs in Australia. All 457 visas do is allow companies not to train or pay Australians what they should. This is no way raciest, just nationalist!
empire4, my suggestion of what would save QANTAS was merely that. A suggestion. I know there is no way known to man that this current board will be removed before the demise of QANTAS.
As for QANTAS staff thinking of themselves. I can't see what's wrong with that. When no one else will look out for you, who's left to look out for you? No one will look out for you like you will.
As for who's looking out for the industry. The ALAEA and AIPA are doing what they can, but when CASA and the big end of town undermine everyone, including the government, the industry is basically stuffed. When companies are allowed to virtually self-regulate, they can do what they want.
It's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed.
ANZ - 1,000 Westpac - 350-450 QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year) Air Australia - in administration Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there Alcoa Heinz and the list goes on
It seems Australia is great at employing foreigners overseas or bringing them here, and putting local Australians out of work, while the board members get ever increasing paypackets.
Am I selfish for wanting to protect my job and look out for myself. You bet! So should every other worker out there who is going to have their livelihood taken away from them in a diminishing workforce, and all for the benefit of a few snouts in the trough.
t's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed.
ANZ - 1,000 Westpac - 350-450 QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year) Air Australia - in administration Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there Alcoa Heinz and the list goes on
And this may be a bigger problem then most think. Australian have a record level of personal debt, eg credit cards and houses. A little upset and the ever so great housing industry will start to crack, and before you know it the ranga will bail out the banks with you tax money.
This is all happening with europe going tits up, US in a deep recession/depression, and soon war with Iran. See the trend?
Mikk13, not a pretty picture. Now retired I like to do a little charity work, and set out to do Meals On Wheels, on a weekly run. This is really soul destroying as I meet pensioners who share meat trays, rather feed their cat then themselves, who have worked hard all their lives, have meague savings, if any at all, will not use any power, because simply frightened of the power bills, so I am confronted with turned off fridges, kero lamps, or even worse, candles. Their rents simply take up most of their pension, and have little or none left over. These people are not gamblers, or alcoholics, they have been the backbone of the country, worked all their lives, brought up their kids, and more often than not still try to help their kids, good decent moral people, and in a rich country like this their plight is a disgrace. No plasmas, mobiles, houses, fridges, for them, not like the illegals, just a day to day struggle. Like many of the other blokes that do this run, we find ourselves fixing things that the low landlords will not fix, taking them to the doctors, and doing a myriad of other little jobs just to make life bearable for them, we enjoy it, but the whole thing is a blight on this country and a eye opener for the more privileged.
Well said Teresa Green. What is going on in this country out of sight is a disgrace. the train wreck coming in the economy is going to shock many younger people who have never seen a nasty recession like 1974. Its coming and it will hurt a lot of unprepared people.
Kudos to you sir for the work you do for our suffering aged pensioners who have worked all their lives in this country and contributed to the social fabric of our society, and are now shunned by this absolute rabble and disgrace of a government. In the mean time, let's all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals and reward them with a start up grant of $10k and then put a roof over their heads to boot. This country is drowning in welfare and the taxpayers of this great land have a gun at their heads. This is all going to end in tears; big tears and soon.
all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals
Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
Either way, they are coming here illegally. The "boat people" have already sought refuge from their home in another country (Malaysia, Indonesia, etc.) but want to come to Australia. They have no paperwork to identify who they are. If they have no peperwork, they are illegal!
Either way, they are sucking up welfare that Australians have no access to, and the way things are going, we may all need the welfare to keep newly unemployed people going. Jobs are going offshore and companies are being shut down or downsized. We simply cannot keep going the way we are going. Greece II looks like it can and probably will happen here.
Right on 94, jeez it pi$$es me off when I see our own, struggling like they do, it really pi$$es me off. One of these days I am going to take their kero lamps and drive to CBR and show those useless bastards what is happening to our own people. Sorry about the diversion Mods, but put it this way, up here on the Goldie a bunch of Pilots, Engineers, and CC have a beer every friday night at one of the surf clubs, we call ourselves "the don't get us started party" Here we solve the problems of QF, JQ, Virgin, all regionals, and the govt. It would be advisable for Joyce never to show, Borgetti is welcome.
well done for your efforts with the poor ....a true "Waverlian" the brothers will be proud of you....I beleive the EOI's will be out soon for line....will be a lot of dissapointement as only 30 slots to cover bne/syd/mel/adl...maybe a few transfers from base might be on the cards to line???????....the rim
disgrace. No plasmas, mobiles, houses, fridges, for them, not like the illegals, just a day to day struggle. Like many of the other blokes that do this run, we find ourselves fixing things that the low landlords will not fix, taking them to the doctors, and doing a myriad of other little jobs just to make life bearable for them, we enjoy it, but the whole thing is a blight on this country and a eye opener for the more privileged.
