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Sydney Airport Changes
http://www.aspecthuntley.com.au/asxd...f/01249577.pdf
Pretty much Virgin Australia and its alliance partners EY, SQ, DL and NZ will use the existing international terminal.
Qantas and its alliance partners will use the all existing domestic terminal CX BA
Not sure what happens with non alliance airlines if they just lease gates for international services off either VA or QF.
Pretty much Virgin Australia and its alliance partners EY, SQ, DL and NZ will use the existing international terminal.
Qantas and its alliance partners will use the all existing domestic terminal CX BA
Not sure what happens with non alliance airlines if they just lease gates for international services off either VA or QF.
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Construction of new Qantas engineering complex...
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Not if you look at the picture on page 13 Howard. The current Qantas jet base is essentially non existent. Whilst they're trying to outsource everything, I guess they still need some engineering capability.
I'm surprised this has taken so long. It was not long after I checked out as an F/O in '97 that I first heard of the plan to turn the jet base into the Qantas and partners international terminal connecting seamlessly to the domestic terminal. It appears that they're finally going to go ahead with it.... maybe.
I'm surprised this has taken so long. It was not long after I checked out as an F/O in '97 that I first heard of the plan to turn the jet base into the Qantas and partners international terminal connecting seamlessly to the domestic terminal. It appears that they're finally going to go ahead with it.... maybe.
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On the surface it seems like finally a little bit of good news for you guys!
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What a headache the whole changeover phase would be though. Customs in both terminals. Makes sense when you're building a new satellite terminal but for the existing infrastructure there would be major major changes. Still, it has plenty of merits!
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It'll take some time to do but support the principle. It will mean the int. guys coming over to the domestic terminals with their flights.Either that or Joyce has decided to close (wreck) international altogether
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As an airport it will improve how well it works. All we need to do is improve the vehicle traffic flow around the terminals. Domestic is already at breaking point with its ridiculous lane arrangement which gives an effective single lane thru way after taxis and those parasitic f'ing hire cars clog up one and the other is direct entry to the pay car park.Leaving one for the circuit. Best thing they could do there is have taxi and hire cars off site and have underground travelator to a dedicated area for taxis. Parking is going to be a problem for all. The approach roads are nothing more than suburban streets which must be improved. The ITB parking seems to be working better with better car access. The extortionate parking arrangement is a disgrace though.
.As an airport it will improve how well it works. All we need to do is improve the vehicle traffic flow around the terminals. Domestic is already at breaking point with its ridiculous lane arrangement which gives an effective single lane thru way after taxis and those parasitic f'ing hire cars clog up one and the other is direct entry to the pay car park.Leaving one for the circuit. Best thing they could do there is have taxi and hire cars off site and have underground travelator to a dedicated area for taxis. Parking is going to be a problem for all. The approach roads are nothing more than suburban streets which must be improved. The ITB parking seems to be working better with better car access. The extortionate parking arrangement is a disgrace though.
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if you look at the picture on page 13 Howard. The current Qantas jet base is essentially non existent
Where is the proposed Virgin hangar going ? because looking over towards the bay (page 13), there's a new hangar, is that for QF or the proposed Virgin one?
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This will probably open up a can of worms as far as aircraft handling goes. IE: Qantas ramp and cleaning commuting between 2 terminals for Qf and customer aircraft, and the same for QF Engineering if they ever intend to take back contracts (this will be the final deathbed of that dream). And similarly for contractors who service our brands and other customers.
Reminds me of a whacky plan to shutdown all aerobridges at around midnight. That died a quick death after they realised that people actually work on the aircraft after passengers get off.
Hopefully they will provide a free and convenient means of commuting between the terminals for the travelling public (like some other countries do).
Reminds me of a whacky plan to shutdown all aerobridges at around midnight. That died a quick death after they realised that people actually work on the aircraft after passengers get off.
Hopefully they will provide a free and convenient means of commuting between the terminals for the travelling public (like some other countries do).
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Virgin's hangar is being built in the GA area in front of AJC (or whatever they are called now).
Isn't Qantas already in the process of moving out of the jet base with the sims and cab trainers about to be move across the road?
Isn't Qantas already in the process of moving out of the jet base with the sims and cab trainers about to be move across the road?
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Free? lol that word is not in that Macquarie dictionary.
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They've just a spent a few million painting and renovating some of the hangars so they must be due to be flattened.
If you look at the video not much in it for Virgin domestic ops - the current INTL5&6 aprons are one in one out, so no advantage over the current DOM2&3 aprons - not to mention having to cross 16R/34L for 50 to 75% of movements, depending on the mode in operation.
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Artist's impression only, so some licence required in the presentation. Believe it all when you see it. Some will happen some wont.
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Airport deal could help Qantas net $350m
Matt O'sullivan
December 6, 2011
QANTAS stands to pocket more than $350 million if it reaches a deal with Sydney Airport to hand back long-term leases on its domestic terminal, and its jet and freight bases, years before they expire.
Sydney Airport yesterday unveiled plans to put Qantas, Jetstar and the group's international alliance partners such as British Airways under the one roof at what are now the domestic terminals T2 and T3. Under the proposal, Virgin Australia would shift all of its operations to the international terminal.
As part of a non-binding agreement, Qantas will also enter talks with Sydney Airport about the early termination of leases on T3, the freight terminal and the jet base.
The airline has been the subject of speculation over the years that it will end the lease on T3 before it expires in 2019. The leases on the two other assets expire in 2020.
The Macquarie Equities analyst Ian Myles estimated that the early termination of the leases could deliver a return to Qantas of more than $350 million. But he cautioned that the early end to the leases would result in the airline paying more in annual fees for the use of the airport's terminals and facilities.
Qantas declined to comment on the looming talks over the leases.
The airport's long-term plans were short on detail yesterday but airlines have warmed to the prospect of operational savings and an increase in passenger capacity.
The proposal also includes the construction of a new engineering complex for line maintenance for Qantas, while a new hangar would serve as a maintenance base for Virgin Australia.
The proposals stand to make Sydney Airport more competitive against its rivals, such as Melbourne's Tullamarine.
The airport has entered into non-binding agreements with Qantas and Virgin to extend the charges they pay for international flights from next year until mid-2015. It has also agreed with them to work towards multi-decade commercial agreements, including the establishment of ''long-term price parameters''.
Shares in MAp, the majority owner of Sydney Airport, rose 5¢ to a four-year high of $3.575 yesterday as the extension of international pricing agreements removed some uncertainty. Qantas rose 4¢ to $1.645, while Virgin was unchanged at 35.5¢.
Analysts said the proposals would increase passenger volumes and result in a better use of the assets, including an increase in occupancy at its car parks. They would help minimise operational disruptions, increase aircraft turnaround times and almost eliminate the need to tow planes across runways.
The senior research analyst at Legg Mason, Andrew Chambers, said the overhaul would delay the onset of capacity constraints at the airport and increase the amount of time passengers could spend in shopping precincts, rather than on making their way from one terminal to another.
Other analysts have put the cost of the overhaul at more than $1 billion over five years, but the chief executive of Sydney Airport, Kerrie Mather, said it was too early to put a figure on it because it was still ''just a concept''.
Matt O'sullivan
December 6, 2011
QANTAS stands to pocket more than $350 million if it reaches a deal with Sydney Airport to hand back long-term leases on its domestic terminal, and its jet and freight bases, years before they expire.
Sydney Airport yesterday unveiled plans to put Qantas, Jetstar and the group's international alliance partners such as British Airways under the one roof at what are now the domestic terminals T2 and T3. Under the proposal, Virgin Australia would shift all of its operations to the international terminal.
As part of a non-binding agreement, Qantas will also enter talks with Sydney Airport about the early termination of leases on T3, the freight terminal and the jet base.
The airline has been the subject of speculation over the years that it will end the lease on T3 before it expires in 2019. The leases on the two other assets expire in 2020.
The Macquarie Equities analyst Ian Myles estimated that the early termination of the leases could deliver a return to Qantas of more than $350 million. But he cautioned that the early end to the leases would result in the airline paying more in annual fees for the use of the airport's terminals and facilities.
Qantas declined to comment on the looming talks over the leases.
The airport's long-term plans were short on detail yesterday but airlines have warmed to the prospect of operational savings and an increase in passenger capacity.
The proposal also includes the construction of a new engineering complex for line maintenance for Qantas, while a new hangar would serve as a maintenance base for Virgin Australia.
The proposals stand to make Sydney Airport more competitive against its rivals, such as Melbourne's Tullamarine.
The airport has entered into non-binding agreements with Qantas and Virgin to extend the charges they pay for international flights from next year until mid-2015. It has also agreed with them to work towards multi-decade commercial agreements, including the establishment of ''long-term price parameters''.
Shares in MAp, the majority owner of Sydney Airport, rose 5¢ to a four-year high of $3.575 yesterday as the extension of international pricing agreements removed some uncertainty. Qantas rose 4¢ to $1.645, while Virgin was unchanged at 35.5¢.
Analysts said the proposals would increase passenger volumes and result in a better use of the assets, including an increase in occupancy at its car parks. They would help minimise operational disruptions, increase aircraft turnaround times and almost eliminate the need to tow planes across runways.
The senior research analyst at Legg Mason, Andrew Chambers, said the overhaul would delay the onset of capacity constraints at the airport and increase the amount of time passengers could spend in shopping precincts, rather than on making their way from one terminal to another.
Other analysts have put the cost of the overhaul at more than $1 billion over five years, but the chief executive of Sydney Airport, Kerrie Mather, said it was too early to put a figure on it because it was still ''just a concept''.
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Looks like the original plans to locate Virgin's hangar in the GA have been shelved.
From the video there appears to be a lack of turboprop parking over at the Virgin side with what looks like REX parked down the Eastern side of the QF regionals in their own terminal.
From the video there appears to be a lack of turboprop parking over at the Virgin side with what looks like REX parked down the Eastern side of the QF regionals in their own terminal.
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Given that 'long haul' paid for all those things over the years- the jet base, the training centre, MBA, engineering centre, etc- I presume that when the $350M is realised it is put against the long haul side of the column?
Of course, whilst the gain of that $350M will never be realised against long haul, the cost of building the new facilities will of course be sheeted against the 'under performing' mainline brand.
Of course, whilst the gain of that $350M will never be realised against long haul, the cost of building the new facilities will of course be sheeted against the 'under performing' mainline brand.