Whats with the CP and the C Engineer giving advise on the mental state of pilots and engineers on hearing the news? Did they think they would roll around on the floor with laughter or take the crash axe to the aircraft? Did it occur to either of them that both groups would act as intelligent human beings, they would digest the info, get in touch with their unions to find the facts, and then act correctly without using the crash axe (not on the aircraft anyway). And that is his reason for not notifying anyone???????????????? No wonder Cameron is bemused.
This whole mess has been rehearsed by the well paid actors for years!
"OK Joyce, make a menace of yourself but let us cook you on TV so we can take some heat off the carbon tax and mining tax."
We are all being played for fools.
I'm with ya Mr Buzzy.
Despite others views, I was somewhat appalled by some of Senator Cameron's behaviour. Using parliamentary privilege to defame Qantas as an employer and then defaming Freehills. It’s just poor taste in my view.
Sure I’m all for making someone “squirm” as a result of the decisions they make and getting passionate about the situation. I’ve watched from very close range plenty of parliamentary proceedings over many years, and I don’t even mind a bit of raised volume, but Senator Cameron was over the top, when there was no need to. There were plenty of questions to be asked of AJ and BB that could make them feel the heat.
Anyway back to the hearing, Fed Sec gave a personal story as an opening statement.
Live feed: Parliament of Australia Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee (Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011 - Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011) (HMS 12) //n//r Friday, 4 November 2011 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM&type=1
I think the Senate Enquiry is very bias against Qantas.
Predominantly, Labour Senators from a Trade Union background driving their own agenda. They are are just upset that THEIR Fair Work legislation could be used in this way. In many ways the questioning and then talking over the answer has been disgraceful.
At the end of the day Joyce represents the owners of the airline and is acting the best long-term interests of the business (his job). The trade unions represent their member’s short-term interests. After listening to the responses of the Senators and the Union Leaders, I don’t think they have the intellect to deal with the complex number of issues facing QF management.
As for the timing of the grounding: The best time to ground from a booking and revenue point of view is Saturday, particularly during a week preceding a short work week. The all-important financial indicator is Revenue-per-departure.
So look at the perfect timing of the two days of grounding:
• Saturday afternoon: low volume, very poor yield
• Sunday morning: low volume, low yield
• Sunday afternoon: high volume, low yield
• Monday (with a public holiday on Tuesday): high volume, low yield
I look at the today’s action like this:
• Joyce outplayed all there (and on PPRuNe) and some don’t like the fact they have been out thought
• Goes to show the enormous complexity of running an airline BUSINESS.
• Asymmetric warfare is usually the play of the small player such as trade unions and freedom fighters. Everyone is upset about a massive company (or one CEO) being courageous enough to implement their own version asymmetric warfare
My final thought:
• Joyce worth 2m plus a promise on Friday 28 October.
• Joyce worth at least 15m on Friday 4 November
BTW, Tony Sheldon’s news conference is just poor and low brow. He just cannot think about complex issues.
Joyce working for himself in the short-medium time frame...He is correct, his best short-term outcome is to agree but this would be the wrong long-term option.
Union members acting in the long term interests of the airline [keeping their jobs]...Incorrect, there are many times during the life-cycle of a business where the strategic option is to reduce costs to survive. A company is a thing that should be greater than the assets, marketing, employees and management.
NOT grounding the airline would be better! Agree...but going broke would be much worst.
Yeah-perfect timing, while CHOGM is on and just before Melbourne Cup...All low yield events. Better to upset CHOGM than the high yield corporate clients who are your bread and butter.
Joyce is PAID millions, he is not WORTH them...I have never really liked him..until now. I think he has been masterful.
My final thought for you: I flew the last Ansett flight to return the displaced pilots and FAs back home (as F/O): BNE-SYD-CBR-MEL. All very emotional, lots of hugs and crying. I hope you never have to fly such a flight.
As an instructor in the mid 80's I took a group of student pilots to the QF Jet Base at Mascot, for a tour of said facility.
At the time QF (pre merger with Australian) boasted a world leading engine maintenance facility, and if memory serves, they also boasted the world record time on wing of 747 engines (Pratts back then I think).
QF can no longer make such claims, or sadly, boast much in the way of world leading. This fall has been overseen by management, who don't seem to me to have the best interests of the company at heart. It seems much more like they have the best short term interests of their own bonus and/or pay rise at heart, and the long term future of the organisation and the bulk of employees, gets nary a look in.
Further it seems that QF is being positioned by successive management groups to be plundered as Ansett was under TNT/News Corp.