From the company. Proposal is with the lawyers. Get back to you next week. Err, wasn't that last week? No, wait a minute? It was the week before. Or was it the week before that?
FFS! How long has it been since the REXPC/AFAP extended the olive branch, and were told by REX they would be back to us next week?
If anyone now believes we are dealing with people who are Fair Dinkum, then I hope you have all put your orders in with Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. Because you'll have a much better chance of a result from them, than you will with this mob!
Krusty, as I've said before PIA is the only language that Baxter Rd understands. Now that that has been terminated 'in good faith' we can expect this to drag on and on and on.... Maybe time to give the TWU a go at getting this circus under control?
Like all non negotiating committee pilots, the only "facts" I'm in possession of are by way of the official briefings, and the latest briefing says that the company has referred (once again), the proposal to it's lawyers.
If you are in possession of something else, then by all means share it with the forum.
Like all non negotiating committee pilots, the only "facts" I'm in possession of are by way of the official briefings, and the latest briefing says that the company has referred (once again), the proposal to it's lawyers.
There in lies the problem. How about an explanation, or a proper update as to what has been going on PC.
Last edited by Stiff Under Carriage; 17th Jul 2012 at 11:01.
This eba negotiation is a joke!!! The afap is a joke!!! I'm starting to think that they (the afap) are batting for the other team. Come on afap, Laurie Cox, restore my faith. Talk was tuff at meetings early on in the year & now all this waiting doing nothing, now is the time to go for the jugular of the company! Hit hard & fast every 3 days a new action come on please.. Nearly a month since the last update & nothing from the afap, reps or the company WTF is going on?
Pissant, you want action, talk to your own Pilot council, YOUR reps, the ones YOU appointed. The Union is only a servant of the pilots and the reps. Your reps suspended the PIA. Keep talking, you sound so incredibly ignorant to the entire process. Nah, nevermind, just talk trash on anonymous forums, that will change everything. My bet, you aren't even a union member. I'll also bet you haven't called your reps to voice your concerns.
We should never have ceded the initiative to the company. Make no mistake, these discussions have and never will be a negotiation. Every battle is won before it's fought, and in this case we were on track, but incredibly have dropped the ball.
The war however is not quite over. Once a proposal is put up (whenever that may be), the vote will determine the next course of action. If it's yes, then game over, and we'll all have to live with the result.
If it's no, then once again we will have the opportunity to seize the initiative. Hopefully we may have Learnt by previous mistakes!
Much talk here in the aviation circle in Singapore, after many who have read the article,about how it has been disgraced internationally by a self-centered and profit focused chairman who has nil respect for the goose that feeds him. Intriguing.
It's sad really. A great bunch of employees and it could be a great company. Will anyone in management or on the board stand up and tell LKH how it really is?
Back on the EBA topic, you are mad if you vote for a profit share and share gift package, sorely mistaken if you think there will be anything left. Unless LKH stands down as Chairman and takes a more silent shareholder role. We can only dream!!!
So it appears Rex has paid callout rates at the new indexed figure initially but in the last pay they have used the old rates?
Given the most recent happenings with the Chairman's letters to our paying passengers who keep our airline in business I would not be surprised if he has yet again breached Australian workplace legislation and our EBA. I for one have had enough, grievance with FWA and NO vote in EBA if there is Profit Share and Share Gift in it. I would only consider yes to a flat CPI+2% with a floor of 4x4x4% (which was one of the offers on the table).
The PC has made, IMHO, a mistake recommending the share gift and profit package on the basis that financially in the years of the agreement the junior guys would be better off. Look in the medium to long term, a second or third year cadet will be here for at least 6 to 7 years.
Lawrie I would urge you to suggest that if the company is going to put it to a vote that that option is considered. I believe that the survey which came back supporting the share gift and profit share was misguided by the figures supplied by the PC.
And how long does it take for the company's lawyers to look over the agreement, I mean seriously. This stalling must be dealt with, reinstate industrial action NOW. The PR storm needs to be used to our advantage as the public can now see what the environment is like at Rex that we must deal with!!
CA
edit: overtime callouts and extensions need to be banned
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The PC has made, IMHO, a mistake recommending the share gift and profit package on the basis that financially in the years of the agreement the junior guys would be better off. Look in the medium to long term, a second or third year cadet will be here for at least 6 to 7 years.
Lawrie I would urge you to suggest that if the company is going to put it to a vote that that option is considered. I believe that the survey which came back supporting the share gift and profit share was misguided by the figures supplied by the PC.
It seems the latest breach of the EBA (and the Fair Work act), as described by Curved Approach, was caused by "an administrative error"!
The REX Crew Resources Manager has issued a memo apologizing for the error, and has promised to rectify the claims in the next payroll period.
What hasn't been divulged however, is just how this "administrative error" occurred in the first place. All the more puzzleing when you consider the process was working correctly, and the clerk responsible has a proper understanding of the relevant EBA requirements. It appears that someone from a different department may have instructed the aforementioned clerk to deny the due payment increases, based on a flawed interpretation of the EBA!
Here's a tip. Stick to what you do best, and let the professionals get on with the job, rather than expending resources in trying to screw over the people the airline can least afford to screw over. Wait a minute! That is what you do best.
prehaps only thinly related to this topic, but what's happening with the USA pilot uptake? How many came/are coming, and what is the latest thoughts on the effect of the changing demographic within the company. New and experienced SAAB drivers, and I only assume mature age, dealing with REX's C&T neuonses. Is that a word?
Will these guys come over on a long term contract with serious penalty clauses?
Will they use the Work/Entry Visa to establish themselves?
I can imagine the Terms and Conditions would be seriously improved on what they had in place in the USA, but how many will put up with the rot and carry on of REX's way of doing business?
Rather than this being an opportunity for further slagging (and who needs a specific opportunity to slag REX Management), I'm interested in serious feed back
Well at this stage I am voting NO with the smoke and mirrors of PS+SG in the agreement widening the gap on base salary.
The company releases its financial statement for the year on August 24 two days prior to the vote closure, will be interesting to see the Rex Airline's profit when you take out Pelair etc etc. I doubt this will change my thoughts on the agreement....but I will wait until then to vote!
More than a year past the current agreements expiry date
Millions of dollars spent in overtime payments (money's certainly not a problem there)
Millions more on a Cadet program that has done, and will continue to do "squat" in mitigating the crew shortage (money's definitely not a problem there!)
A cynical, and arguably illegal attempt, to grab a slice of taxpayer entitlement under the national Parental Leave system
An almost pathalogical pursuit of the notion that the only way you can hold on to crew is to impose penalties if they leave, and to this end REX have scoured the Earth in search of diadvantaged pilots willing to indenture themselves, rather than simply looking after the ones they already have!
The trundling out of an already tried and widely disliked PS+SG scheme, in the hope that the newer pilots may not see it for what it is
All REX had to do was to accept the Status Quo on pay, be willing to sit down and talk about mutually beneficial adjustments, and generally bargain in good faith. Make no mistake though, the wages structure in the expired agreement amounts to peanuts compared to what REX have been throwing away. It would seem that wages were never the issue. The real issue is preserving the idiology of a win at all costs! A cordial and simple process was never on their agenda.
I'll say one thing for the buggers, they are predictable.
I've already voted, and I made up my mind some time ago.
we can expect this to drag on and on and on.... Maybe time to give the TWU a go at getting this circus under control?
. Come on afap, Laurie Cox, restore my faith. Talk was tuff at meetings early on in the year & now all this waiting doing nothing
, now is the time to go for the jugular of the company! Hit hard & fast every 3 days a new action come on please.
. Nearly a month since the last update & nothing from the afap, reps or the company WTF is going on?
