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CW #1593 - I would have rather watched a rendition of the GWM singing ‘My Girl’ while dressed in lederhosen.....
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Oh well might as well wind this thread up if we are back to references of Gobbledock and the not so subtle references to individuals within CASA. May I suggest another read of post#1521?
Its quite clear that nothing will change despite the ATSB warning about the high number of airprox events in military airspace and that there have been 3 fatal GA accidents in as many days. I asked the question before and was underwhelmed with the response but is the current government obliged to respond to the recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held under the previous government?
Its quite clear that nothing will change despite the ATSB warning about the high number of airprox events in military airspace and that there have been 3 fatal GA accidents in as many days. I asked the question before and was underwhelmed with the response but is the current government obliged to respond to the recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held under the previous government?
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[I]s the current government obliged to respond to the recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held under the previous government?
Nor was the previous government obliged to respond to recommendations of a Senate Inquiry held while it was the government.
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Sombre thoughts-indeed.
Regrettable, but spot on Creampuff. I've never paid too much mind to the antics of polly's, preferring to accept it all as just a small part of the cost, being lucky enough to live in a 'democracy'. I believe I will return to that philosophy, slightly more cynical after watching and studying the process up close, during the latest Senate inquiry. Disappointed? – no, not really, more like saddened. It's a bit rum; that even despite some transitory interest and an opportunity to affect some form of change, the whole debate is buried somewhere in Never never land, the deputy PM leaning on a shovel, watching.
What did I expect eh? Perhaps that the Prime Minister may use the wealth, expertise, executive power and resources available to institute an effective bush fire program/ system as a matter of national interest, instead of faffing about in a fire truck, getting under everyone's feet. Just about says it all really, the country is burning, people, stock, property going up in smoke; what a great photo opportunity.... That coy little act got more air time than the poor sods who were informed that they MUST complete their tax on time, or be fined; despite the paper work being somewhere in their burnt, wrecked home as part of a life they no longer have.
Aye well; expect the worst and hope for best has always been sound advice. Sandilands at Crikey is still slugging away, pity some of his peers can't, won't or are too afraid to get stuck into the real story. Hells bells, the Woman's Weekly agony column has more teeth (and makes more sense) than the mainstream press.
What did I expect eh? Perhaps that the Prime Minister may use the wealth, expertise, executive power and resources available to institute an effective bush fire program/ system as a matter of national interest, instead of faffing about in a fire truck, getting under everyone's feet. Just about says it all really, the country is burning, people, stock, property going up in smoke; what a great photo opportunity.... That coy little act got more air time than the poor sods who were informed that they MUST complete their tax on time, or be fined; despite the paper work being somewhere in their burnt, wrecked home as part of a life they no longer have.
Aye well; expect the worst and hope for best has always been sound advice. Sandilands at Crikey is still slugging away, pity some of his peers can't, won't or are too afraid to get stuck into the real story. Hells bells, the Woman's Weekly agony column has more teeth (and makes more sense) than the mainstream press.
It is examples like this move by the NTSB that shows the difference between competent, diligent and fearlessly open disclosure of air safety problems and issues in the US today, and the rotten performance in this respect of our own air safety bodies.
One feature of the NTSB investigative process in the US which is lacking in Australia and Europe is its transparency and openness.
There is none of the disgusting collusion and suppression of embarrassing disclosures as seen between our safety investigator, the ATSB, and our safety regulator, CASA, over the 2009 Pel-Air crash, nor the spectacle of the responsible minister, which in that case was Anthony Albanese, failing to fulfil his obligations to respond the detailed remedial recommendations made concerning the Pel-Air matters by an all party and unanimous Senate inquiry.
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But the party is just about to start??
The pessimistic doomsayers’ 
maybe right and Truss, Tony & Co may have fallen under the spell of the mystique of aviation safety bollocks that Kingcrat, Skull, Beaker, the Don and the Doc hold them under 
. T&T may blithely ignore the house of review and IOS bleating 
that all is not well in the aviation camp but that doesn’t mean we all wander up to the ferry begging for an economy fare to end our misery because it is all too much 
. That would be way too easy and besides the fun and games is just about to start with the 44th parliament soon to sit 
. We’ve already put the majority of the Senate on notice so let’s give them some more ammo to fire at T&T's government. A good place to start is at the proposed upcoming Supp Estimates (18th-22nd November) and I’ve got a couple of questions already that I’d like answers for...
While trolling through the restructured DIRD (formally DoIT..worrying sign as it appears that ‘Transport’ no longer exists) website I came across the 2012-13 Financial Year Senate Order listing. This document lists all the contracts divvied out by the Department over the last financial year, if you have a bent for figures some of this list makes for some very interesting reading, but there was an entry that particularly piqued my interest....
International Civil Aviation/ International Civil Aviation Organisation Assessment 2013 Australia/ $1,521,278
Start Date 1.01.2013/End Date31.12.2013
....call me old fashioned but 1.5 million is still a considerable sum of money in anyone’s language, especially when it is coming from the public purse. So is this a normal payment made by the dept in lieu of Australia being a signatory to ICAO?
Well if you look at the previous financial year it would seem that could be the case...2012 Calendar year Senate Order. However this is a contract list not a membership fee list and the ICAO contract of 1.5 million for each calendar year (2012&2013) is simply listed as ‘assessment’! Now I’m sure it is all above board and legit but in the interest of transparency Senators could we ask for the details of this contract and what was the outcome of this ICAO assessment??
Note: My bet is the ‘assessment’ could have something to do with the roll out of Annex 19, which is due to be officially applicable on the 14th November...but that is only a guess?? If true though I’d hate to think that we’re just buying (on our coin) a rubber stamp for annex 19...hmm it will be interesting to see what the Doc notifies as differences to the annex??
Ps There are plenty more contracts of interest in the list that deserve a certain amount of scrutiny from the Senators...
maybe right and Truss, Tony & Co may have fallen under the spell of the mystique of aviation safety bollocks that Kingcrat, Skull, Beaker, the Don and the Doc hold them under . T&T may blithely ignore the house of review and IOS bleating that all is not well in the aviation camp but that doesn’t mean we all wander up to the ferry begging for an economy fare to end our misery because it is all too much . That would be way too easy and besides the fun and games is just about to start with the 44th parliament soon to sit . We’ve already put the majority of the Senate on notice so let’s give them some more ammo to fire at T&T's government. A good place to start is at the proposed upcoming Supp Estimates (18th-22nd November) and I’ve got a couple of questions already that I’d like answers for... While trolling through the restructured DIRD (formally DoIT..worrying sign as it appears that ‘Transport’ no longer exists
) website I came across the 2012-13 Financial Year Senate Order listing. This document lists all the contracts divvied out by the Department over the last financial year, if you have a bent for figures some of this list makes for some very interesting reading, but there was an entry that particularly piqued my interest.... International Civil Aviation/ International Civil Aviation Organisation Assessment 2013 Australia/ $1,521,278
Start Date 1.01.2013/End Date31.12.2013
....call me old fashioned but 1.5 million is still a considerable sum of money in anyone’s language, especially when it is coming from the public purse. So is this a normal payment made by the dept in lieu of Australia being a signatory to ICAO?
Well if you look at the previous financial year it would seem that could be the case...2012 Calendar year Senate Order. However this is a contract list not a membership fee list and the ICAO contract of 1.5 million for each calendar year (2012&2013) is simply listed as ‘assessment’! Now I’m sure it is all above board and legit but in the interest of transparency Senators could we ask for the details of this contract and what was the outcome of this ICAO assessment??
Note: My bet is the ‘assessment’ could have something to do with the roll out of Annex 19, which is due to be officially applicable on the 14th November...but that is only a guess?? If true though I’d hate to think that we’re just buying (on our coin) a rubber stamp for annex 19...hmm it will be interesting to see what the Doc notifies as differences to the annex??
Ps There are plenty more contracts of interest in the list that deserve a certain amount of scrutiny from the Senators...
On the subject of accountability...mi..mi..mi Beaker??
Beaker must have thought he could just slide this past the attention of the frog and Miss Piggy...
ATSB Annual Report 2 0 1 2 – 1 3
Forever the bean counter the ATsBeaker T.W.E.E.T says it all:
Follow the link and you will find this missive from mi..mi..mi..Beaker : BBARF (Beaker's Beyond all Reasonable Facts)
From the aviation section of the BBARF:
Addendum on Senate report from page 106 of the report:
No mention of the Canucks coming and going I notice???
And then there is the Beaker bean counter coming to the fore in the outlook for the coming year
:
Hmm...it's enough to make you BBARF...read it and weep!
...ATSB Annual Report 2 0 1 2 – 1 3
Forever the bean counter the ATsBeaker T.W.E.E.T says it all
:
The ATSB Annual Report covers performance, accountability and financial reporting.
: BBARF (Beaker's Beyond all Reasonable Facts) From the aviation section of the BBARF
:
Aviation
The aviation investigation teams completed 43 complex and 99 short aviation accident and incident investigations during the past year. Several of these garnered considerable national and international interest. Key accomplishments included the completion of one of the largest and most complex investigations in our organisation’s history, the uncontained engine failure on a Qantas A380 over Batam Island, Indonesia, which occurred on 4 November 2010 (AO-2010-089); pursuing the issue of potentially dangerous fuel tanks in Robinson R44 helicopters; and spelling out the implications of the fatal accident involving an air ambulance rescue operation in the Budderoo National Park near Wollongong, NSW.
The completion of the Qantas A380 investigation is a matter of particular satisfaction. After the initial discovery of the fatigue-cracked oil feed stub pipe that led to the engine failure, we continued to work with the engine manufacturer, Rolls-Royce, to confirm how the manufacturing fault had occurred and how to revise their procedures to prevent recurrence. We also worked with Airbus and international regulators to highlight the implications of the accident for airframe certification standards. Our report, released on 29 June 2013, was the culmination of two and a half years of hard work and cooperation with other agencies, and spelled out issues with significant implications for air safety around the world.
The past year also saw the resolution of a different safety issue, one that tragically claimed several lives. We investigated three accidents in Australia involving post-accident fires in R44 helicopters. This led us to reinforce previous warnings to operators about the need to replace rigid aluminium fuel tanks by the deadline of 30 April 2013. As a consequence, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) issued an Airworthiness Directive that effectively grounded any remaining R44s that had not complied by the deadline.
Another significant accident involved an air ambulance helicopter, where paramedics were winched from the aircraft to rescue an injured canyoner. During the winching, a paramedic and the canyoner fell on to some rocks and the paramedic was fatally injured. Following the investigation, the Ambulance Service of New South Wales and the helicopter operator took safety action in respect of the operating scope applied to retrieval operations and procedures used by helicopter emergency crews. In addition, paramedics, in their role as ambulance rescue crewmen, are now required to conduct annual night winching currency training.
The release of our investigation report into the ditching of the Westwind Jet at Norfolk Island that occurred on 18 November 2009 (AO-2009-072) became a subject of the ABC’s 4 Corners program and was commented upon by other media outlets. A review of the investigation by a Senate Committee was launched late in 2012. The ATSB was required to make a number of detailed submissions, provide a great many documents and attend a number of hearings at Parliament House. The enquiry report was released on 23 May 2013. The Commission has carefully considered the report and has developed an action plan in response to matters raised in the report. The Australian Government is considering its response to the Committee.
The aviation investigation teams completed 43 complex and 99 short aviation accident and incident investigations during the past year. Several of these garnered considerable national and international interest. Key accomplishments included the completion of one of the largest and most complex investigations in our organisation’s history, the uncontained engine failure on a Qantas A380 over Batam Island, Indonesia, which occurred on 4 November 2010 (AO-2010-089); pursuing the issue of potentially dangerous fuel tanks in Robinson R44 helicopters; and spelling out the implications of the fatal accident involving an air ambulance rescue operation in the Budderoo National Park near Wollongong, NSW.
The completion of the Qantas A380 investigation is a matter of particular satisfaction. After the initial discovery of the fatigue-cracked oil feed stub pipe that led to the engine failure, we continued to work with the engine manufacturer, Rolls-Royce, to confirm how the manufacturing fault had occurred and how to revise their procedures to prevent recurrence. We also worked with Airbus and international regulators to highlight the implications of the accident for airframe certification standards. Our report, released on 29 June 2013, was the culmination of two and a half years of hard work and cooperation with other agencies, and spelled out issues with significant implications for air safety around the world.
The past year also saw the resolution of a different safety issue, one that tragically claimed several lives. We investigated three accidents in Australia involving post-accident fires in R44 helicopters. This led us to reinforce previous warnings to operators about the need to replace rigid aluminium fuel tanks by the deadline of 30 April 2013. As a consequence, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) issued an Airworthiness Directive that effectively grounded any remaining R44s that had not complied by the deadline.
Another significant accident involved an air ambulance helicopter, where paramedics were winched from the aircraft to rescue an injured canyoner. During the winching, a paramedic and the canyoner fell on to some rocks and the paramedic was fatally injured. Following the investigation, the Ambulance Service of New South Wales and the helicopter operator took safety action in respect of the operating scope applied to retrieval operations and procedures used by helicopter emergency crews. In addition, paramedics, in their role as ambulance rescue crewmen, are now required to conduct annual night winching currency training.
The release of our investigation report into the ditching of the Westwind Jet at Norfolk Island that occurred on 18 November 2009 (AO-2009-072) became a subject of the ABC’s 4 Corners program and was commented upon by other media outlets. A review of the investigation by a Senate Committee was launched late in 2012. The ATSB was required to make a number of detailed submissions, provide a great many documents and attend a number of hearings at Parliament House. The enquiry report was released on 23 May 2013. The Commission has carefully considered the report and has developed an action plan in response to matters raised in the report. The Australian Government is considering its response to the Committee.
Response to Senate Inquiry
On 13 September 2012 the Senate referred the matter of aviation accident investigations to the Senate References Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport for inquiry and report. The terms of reference addressed:
Under Parliamentary convention, governments are expected to respond to committee reports within three months. However, the Caretaker Conventions stipulate that responses to outstanding parliamentary committee reports should be taken up with the incoming government.
On 13 September 2012 the Senate referred the matter of aviation accident investigations to the Senate References Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport for inquiry and report. The terms of reference addressed:
- the findings of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau into the ditching of VH-NGA Westwind II, operated by Pel-Air Aviation Pty Ltd, in the ocean near Norfolk Island airport on 18 November 2009;
- the nature of, and protocols involved in, communications between agencies and directly interested parties in an aviation accident investigation and the reporting process;
- the mechanisms in place to ensure recommendations from aviation accident investigations are implemented in a timely manner; and
- any related matters.
Under Parliamentary convention, governments are expected to respond to committee reports within three months. However, the Caretaker Conventions stipulate that responses to outstanding parliamentary committee reports should be taken up with the incoming government.
And then there is the Beaker bean counter coming to the fore in the outlook for the coming year
:
The ATSB has never been resourced to undertake investigations into every accident or incident that occurs. Rather, it is necessary for us to be strategic, investigating those accidents and incidents that are likely to yield safety improvements for transport operators and the travelling public.
We can expect to continue to work in a resource-constrained environment during the foreseeable future and will need to be creative in finding ways to deliver the high quality expected by the government and the Australian public. Our responsibilities have grown in the rail sector and we are also acutely conscious of the effect on our available resources of the demands of one or more complex investigations.
More than ever we will need to be selective in deciding what matters to investigate in order to achieve the greatest value and confidence for the travelling public. Under current and forecast resource limits, a time is approaching when we will have to be more constrained as to which investigations and activities we can undertake and as to the extent of those investigations we do undertake. While we will continue to take all possible steps to mitigate it, the risk that we will miss an important issue increases as our resources diminish.
We can expect to continue to work in a resource-constrained environment during the foreseeable future and will need to be creative in finding ways to deliver the high quality expected by the government and the Australian public. Our responsibilities have grown in the rail sector and we are also acutely conscious of the effect on our available resources of the demands of one or more complex investigations.
More than ever we will need to be selective in deciding what matters to investigate in order to achieve the greatest value and confidence for the travelling public. Under current and forecast resource limits, a time is approaching when we will have to be more constrained as to which investigations and activities we can undertake and as to the extent of those investigations we do undertake. While we will continue to take all possible steps to mitigate it, the risk that we will miss an important issue increases as our resources diminish.
...read it and weep!
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Oh – YUK.
Key accomplishments included the completion of one of the largest and most complex investigations in our organisation’s history, the uncontained engine failure on a Qantas A380 over Batam Island, Indonesia, which occurred on 4 November 2010
Then; the brass necked buggers trot out the Robinson fiasco and for the grand finale – the Norfolk sym-phoney, composed by CASA and played by Pel Air...
Any decent man would resign and slide out the back way ahead of the tar and feathers brigade after the last embarrassing fiasco; instead of publishing this sly, misleading load of old bollocks.
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Kharon, you got their first. Atsb has it's own version of reality. Beyond reason!
Senate estimates going to be interesting. The inquiry wasn't very kind to mr beaker.
Senate estimates going to be interesting. The inquiry wasn't very kind to mr beaker.
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Willyleaks special report.
There is the official version:-
Then, from deep within the tin bins laden with writing department drafts; Willyleaks anonymously received what some be believe to be the 'original draft'. While we are unable to verify that the document was indeed found in a tin-bin at ATSB HQ, were able to identify the writer through DNA analysis of the drool patches about the $$$ signs.
We intend to spend as little as possible while maintaining the facade of investigating air accidents. We do need to be 'creative' in order to do this successfully. This can be effectively achieved by grabbing the first available straw then massaging it as the foundation for a brief technical analysis. As very few of the general public or our political masters are capable of understanding any of the issues, we can make a considerable saving by minimising the research and maximising the creative writing initiative. We intend to focus on spending the railways budget; the boys over at CASA have a bigger budget for aviation. We can provide significant savings by continuing to work with CASA and allowing them to complete the few aviation reports we eventually finish. This proven system also avoids the need to make those nasty, expensive embarrassing safety recommendations. To achieve this end; we shall continue to comply with our agreed mandate and only use the Wodger wecommended weport writing system. Safe bonuses for all.....
Sponsor: the IOS chapter for 'A Thriving Surplus Budget'.....
We can expect to continue to work in a resource-constrained environment during the foreseeable future and will need to be creative in finding ways to deliver the high quality expected by the government and the Australian public. Our responsibilities have grown in the rail sector and we are also acutely conscious of the effect on our available resources of the demands of one or more complex investigations.
We intend to spend as little as possible while maintaining the facade of investigating air accidents. We do need to be 'creative' in order to do this successfully. This can be effectively achieved by grabbing the first available straw then massaging it as the foundation for a brief technical analysis. As very few of the general public or our political masters are capable of understanding any of the issues, we can make a considerable saving by minimising the research and maximising the creative writing initiative. We intend to focus on spending the railways budget; the boys over at CASA have a bigger budget for aviation. We can provide significant savings by continuing to work with CASA and allowing them to complete the few aviation reports we eventually finish. This proven system also avoids the need to make those nasty, expensive embarrassing safety recommendations. To achieve this end; we shall continue to comply with our agreed mandate and only use the Wodger wecommended weport writing system. Safe bonuses for all.....
Sponsor: the IOS chapter for 'A Thriving Surplus Budget'.....
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The ATSB has never been resourced to undertake investigations into every accident or incident that occurs. Rather, it is necessary for us to be strategic, investigating those accidents and incidents that are likely to yield safety improvements for transport operators and the travelling public.
Here's some of the Aviation safety investigations & reports from the ATSB website:
- AO-2013-194 Wheels up landing involving a Rockwell 114, VH-AYH, Camden Airport, NSW on 27 October 2013 (Unknown type of operation according to the ATSB website - WTF??????)
- AO-2013-188 Loss of control on ground involving Air Tractor AT-502B, VH-FLH, near Deniliquin, NSW on 21 October 2013
- AO-2013-191 Wheels-up landing involving Beech Baron aircraft, VH-TLP at St. Helens aerodrome, Tas. 20 October 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-174 Collision with terrain involving Rand Robinson KR-2, VH-CTE, 14 km W Tumut Airport NSW on 5 October 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-158 Collision with terrain involving Lancair Legacy, VH-ALP at Geraldton Airport, WA on 18 September 2013 (General Aviation according to the ATSB)
- AO-2013-168 Total power loss involving a Piper PA-28-161, VH-CCQ, 9 km N of Cunnamulla Airport, QLD, 1 October 2013 (General Aviation according to the ATSB)
- AO-2013-190 Ground event involving DH-82 Tiger Moth, VH-RAY, 19 km NNE Coffs Harbour, NSW, 23 September 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-164 Total power loss involving a Piper PA-28-140, VH-RVJ, Kilcoy (ALA), Qld., 22 September 2013 (Private Operation)
- AO-2013-092 Total power loss involving a Mooney M20J, VH-NFP, at Canberra Airport, ACT, 2 June 2013 (Private Operation)
As far as I can see, the 'travelling public' wasn't involved in any of these events.
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A.R.R.T rhymes with F.A.R.T.(S)!
Seems that the IOS are not the only ones strolling through the 192 page ATsBeancounter Beaker’s spinneaucracy....but I’m a little miffed by what the article from the MMSM (Murdoch mainstream media) is actually attempting to highlight....
Australia'sair accident rate revealed in new report
...maybe SC is just trying to help us out by summarising and deciphering the Beaker spin???
Speaking of m..m..m..mandatory reporting!! And as it is that time of the year for government agencies to have completed their annual reports (31/10/13)...where oh where is Fort Fumble’s AR?? The mind boggles with all possible permutations!
Oh well..while we’re all waiting Para 377 on the Hempel thread drew my attention to a recently released 2054 page FF FOI doc (DAME’s Handbook). Now I’ve no doubt that the DAME Handbook (handbook if you’re a Giant ) is a most absorbing informative read but a read that for now I’ll put on the backburner (till tomorrow at least
). However what caught my attention on FF’s disclosure log was an entry for July: f13-4067
Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.
Here is a couple of examples:
Here is a finding and recommendation that is particularly relevant to a recently released ATsB report on LOS incidents and the thread ATSB Concerned over Military Control Loss of Separation Events
:
Well I’m sure there are others on here that can mine some other gems from this comprehensive and historical ARRT report...so fill your boots (or not)!
Q/ Wonder who (and why) FOI'd the ARRT report??
Observation: The ARRT report also makes you realise how much the previous Labor governments were totally in the wilderness when it came to actually governing. Six years of stagnation within the industry while the Minister let the bureaucracy run rampant and totally unaccounted for.
Former Labor Senator Richo sums it up best in regards to accountability..." Keep political power where the buck stops: with the elected minister "...
Richo:
Sage advice...so Trusster take heed mate and perhaps refer to the ARRT report after taking advice from the Kingcrat??
....but I’m a little miffed by what the article from the MMSM (Murdoch mainstream media) is actually attempting to highlight....Australia'sair accident rate revealed in new report
...maybe SC is just trying to help us out by summarising and deciphering the Beaker spin???
Speaking of m..m..m..mandatory reporting!! And as it is that time of the year for government agencies to have completed their annual reports (31/10/13)...where oh where is Fort Fumble’s AR?? The mind boggles with all possible permutations!
Oh well..while we’re all waiting Para 377 on the Hempel thread drew my attention to a recently released 2054 page
FF FOI doc (DAME’s Handbook). Now I’ve no doubt that the DAME Handbook (handbook if you’re a Giant ) is a most absorbing informative read but a read that for now I’ll put on the backburner (till tomorrow at least). However what caught my attention on FF’s disclosure log was an entry for July: f13-4067Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread
) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.Here is a couple of examples:
The Taskforce agreed that the Government’s aviation agencies can learn from these specific examples and should enhance existing or implement new procedures to ensure transparency and adequate industry awareness of new initiatives. In addition, the consultation models of leading overseas aviation countries should be considered when developing a best practice model
Recommendation 4: The Government’s aviation agencies review and enhance existing consultation arrangements and implement new procedures where warranted to ensure transparency and adequate industry awareness of new initiatives.
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The Taskforce also considered the broader effectiveness of the SCC itself and took advice from Mr Graham, who has chaired the Committee since 2006. The Taskforce agreed there would be value in CASA monitoring its regulatory development processes and the use of joint CASA/industry project teams to develop regulatory policy proposals followed by more focused consultations through the SCC. The Taskforce further considered views on the role of the full SCC that meets in plenary three or four times per year.
The Taskforce considered that the regulatory development process should be the subject of on-going review and evaluation in order to make the best use of the knowledge and abilities of SCC members and enhance the interaction between the CASA/industry project teams and the SCC subcommittees and working groups. The Taskforce noted that the role of the full SCC could also be reconsidered in this light.
Recommendation 6: CASA monitor the regulation development process using joint CASA/industry project teams and continue to review the role of the SCC in this process, in order to achieve further effectiveness and efficiency gains.
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The Taskforce also considered the broader effectiveness of the SCC itself and took advice from Mr Graham, who has chaired the Committee since 2006. The Taskforce agreed there would be value in CASA monitoring its regulatory development processes and the use of joint CASA/industry project teams to develop regulatory policy proposals followed by more focused consultations through the SCC. The Taskforce further considered views on the role of the full SCC that meets in plenary three or four times per year.
The Taskforce considered that the regulatory development process should be the subject of on-going review and evaluation in order to make the best use of the knowledge and abilities of SCC members and enhance the interaction between the CASA/industry project teams and the SCC subcommittees and working groups. The Taskforce noted that the role of the full SCC could also be reconsidered in this light.
Recommendation 6: CASA monitor the regulation development process using joint CASA/industry project teams and continue to review the role of the SCC in this process, in order to achieve further effectiveness and efficiency gains.
Here is a finding and recommendation that is particularly relevant to a recently released ATsB report on LOS incidents and the thread ATSB Concerned over Military Control Loss of Separation Events
:
Military Airspace
The Taskforce discussed an issue raised by various sectors of the aviation industry in relation to military aerodromes and civilian access to military airspace. The airspace and air traffic control service provision for civilian aircraft at Williamtown air base near Newcastle being a case in point.
The Taskforce Members agreed that this had been an issue for quite some time and the risk profile of the aerodrome was increasing, noting the matter was complex with numerous significant stakeholders. The Taskforce agreed that the matter should be raised at very senior levels with the RAAF to ensure that a solution could be agreed and implemented as soon as possible.
Given the history of this matter a solution will only be forthcoming if the respective Ministers oversee and reach agreement on a new approach. As part of these discussions, the safety of the travelling public at aerodromes such as Williamtown needs to be considered as the first priority, without limiting Regular Public Transport growth or necessarily changing the status of the aerodrome.
Recommendation 10: The Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government raise concerns about air traffic and airspace management at Williamtown and other military aerodromes with the Minister for Defence, to ensure that safe and reasonable practices are implemented to protect civilian aircraft and fare paying passengers in accordance with existing safety principles.
The Taskforce discussed an issue raised by various sectors of the aviation industry in relation to military aerodromes and civilian access to military airspace. The airspace and air traffic control service provision for civilian aircraft at Williamtown air base near Newcastle being a case in point.
The Taskforce Members agreed that this had been an issue for quite some time and the risk profile of the aerodrome was increasing, noting the matter was complex with numerous significant stakeholders. The Taskforce agreed that the matter should be raised at very senior levels with the RAAF to ensure that a solution could be agreed and implemented as soon as possible.
Given the history of this matter a solution will only be forthcoming if the respective Ministers oversee and reach agreement on a new approach. As part of these discussions, the safety of the travelling public at aerodromes such as Williamtown needs to be considered as the first priority, without limiting Regular Public Transport growth or necessarily changing the status of the aerodrome.
Recommendation 10: The Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government raise concerns about air traffic and airspace management at Williamtown and other military aerodromes with the Minister for Defence, to ensure that safe and reasonable practices are implemented to protect civilian aircraft and fare paying passengers in accordance with existing safety principles.
Q/ Wonder who (and why) FOI'd the ARRT report??
Observation: The ARRT report also makes you realise how much the previous Labor governments were totally in the wilderness when it came to actually governing. Six years of stagnation within the industry while the Minister let the bureaucracy run rampant and totally unaccounted for.
Former Labor Senator Richo sums it up best in regards to accountability..." Keep political power where the buck stops: with the elected minister "...
Richo:
One of the hallmarks of pretty well all of those ministers was their capacity for overruling departmental advice. The minister is the elected person, with the end result of all decision-making resting with them. The buck should stop with the minister.
On many occasions I rejected the advice I received from my various departments. I recall writing "rubbish" or "nonsense" on the tops of pages sent to me. A good minister should not abrogate the responsibility of office. If a minister simply chooses to tick the box on every piece of advice received then there has been a power shift to unelected, unseen and indeed faceless people. Bureaucrats are not elected. Their job is to advise the minister and they will sometimes get things wrong. A minister should not feel constrained in treating that advice.
On many occasions I rejected the advice I received from my various departments. I recall writing "rubbish" or "nonsense" on the tops of pages sent to me. A good minister should not abrogate the responsibility of office. If a minister simply chooses to tick the box on every piece of advice received then there has been a power shift to unelected, unseen and indeed faceless people. Bureaucrats are not elected. Their job is to advise the minister and they will sometimes get things wrong. A minister should not feel constrained in treating that advice.
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Good catch sarco:
It appears here as well:
Aviation Regulation Review 2007 | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
It won't last long on the casa disclosure log.
It appears here as well:
Aviation Regulation Review 2007 | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
It won't last long on the casa disclosure log.
Fort Fumble 200pg AR slides in the back door!
Warning short post coming while I reach for a bucket..
Well FF have finally put out their spin fest for 2012-13 and if you can get past page one without feeling sick you're doing better than me:
Ahhh...bollocks! No comment..
ps Page 102-103 (if you must) deals with External Scrutiny i.e. those pesky Senators, Coroners etc.
Well FF have finally put out their spin fest for 2012-13 and if you can get past page one without feeling sick you're doing better than me
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Goal 1:Comprehensive,consistent and effective regulation to enhance aviationsafety
CASA achieved 84 per cent of the measures against this goal, anda further 16 per cent are progressing with managed delays.
CASA enhanced aviation safety through comprehensive, consistentand effective regulation by:
+implementing the certificate management team structure and theintroduction of a new CASA Surveillance Manual in all regional offices
+using a new fast-time simulation tool to support futureAustralian airspace modelling
+completing the first phase of transition to new maintenanceregulations by regular public transport operators and associated maintenanceorganisations and the completion of the maintenance personnel licensing suiteof regulations.
See pages 34 to 44 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
Goal 2: Good governance andcontinuous improvement of organisational efficiency
With 78 per cent of the measures against this goal achieved, and19 per cent progressing with managed delays, CASA exercised good governance andcontinuous improvement by:
+completing the final stage of the organisation’s learningmanagement system with the introduction of Aviation Worx (see page 115).
+introducing new fraud and ethics, records management, workplacehealth and safety, and equity and diversity e-learning modules for completionby all new staff
+achieving an 8.9 out of 10 rating in the Comcover riskmanagement benchmarking survey.
See pages 45 to 52 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
Goal 3: Effectiveand appropriate relationships with the wider aviation community
CASA has achieved 97 per cent of the measures against the goalof effective and appropriate relationships with the wider aviation communitythrough:
+enhancing CASA’s suite of user-friendly applications andinteractive multimedia products, with the introduction of a YouTube channel anda project to increase use of tablet technology
+continued participation in International Civil AviationOrganization panels and study groups
+increasing international engagement, including memorandums ofunderstanding signed with China and Singapore.
See pages 52 to 60 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
CASA achieved 84 per cent of the measures against this goal, anda further 16 per cent are progressing with managed delays.
CASA enhanced aviation safety through comprehensive, consistentand effective regulation by:
+implementing the certificate management team structure and theintroduction of a new CASA Surveillance Manual in all regional offices
+using a new fast-time simulation tool to support futureAustralian airspace modelling
+completing the first phase of transition to new maintenanceregulations by regular public transport operators and associated maintenanceorganisations and the completion of the maintenance personnel licensing suiteof regulations.
See pages 34 to 44 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
Goal 2: Good governance andcontinuous improvement of organisational efficiency
With 78 per cent of the measures against this goal achieved, and19 per cent progressing with managed delays, CASA exercised good governance andcontinuous improvement by:
+completing the final stage of the organisation’s learningmanagement system with the introduction of Aviation Worx (see page 115).
+introducing new fraud and ethics, records management, workplacehealth and safety, and equity and diversity e-learning modules for completionby all new staff
+achieving an 8.9 out of 10 rating in the Comcover riskmanagement benchmarking survey.
See pages 45 to 52 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
Goal 3: Effectiveand appropriate relationships with the wider aviation community
CASA has achieved 97 per cent of the measures against the goalof effective and appropriate relationships with the wider aviation communitythrough:
+enhancing CASA’s suite of user-friendly applications andinteractive multimedia products, with the introduction of a YouTube channel anda project to increase use of tablet technology
+continued participation in International Civil AviationOrganization panels and study groups
+increasing international engagement, including memorandums ofunderstanding signed with China and Singapore.
See pages 52 to 60 for detailed information outlininginitiatives, measures and progress against this goal.
ps Page 102-103 (if you must
) deals with External Scrutiny i.e. those pesky Senators, Coroners etc.
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Now, the infamous soft white paper was at least useful and would burn nicely. But this new shiny stuff is of no practical value whatsoever. When it was published I thought, Oh ho, here's a bit of fun, there has got to be some howlers within which can be strung together, for the amusement of the fellahin, the hoi polloi and the IOS. Nope – sorry: by page 14 I was slightly nauseous; at page 15 reaching for a bucket and I lost my lunch at the end of page 16. After a short recovery I gamely cherry picked between pages 77 and 102, but alas, the feeling of nausea and ennui returned. Hence the search for a more practical application.
The ATSB report was at least bearable and worthy of some attention; the ATSB troops will try to wright the ship and will, with qualified leadership revert to a world class safety authority. But, if Truss swallows any of the CASA rubbish, his advisors need to be fired or handed over to the AFP for perpetrating serious fraud. Never has a printed document revealed the absolute hopelessness of attempting to recover an expensive department to a point where it can be useful. The bare faced deception now published at great expense, the complicity of those who wrote it and the perfect arrogant contempt for government, industry and the taxpayer beggars belief (or reinforces it). Gods help the next DAS who turns up with less than a SWAT team, and a bus load of new faces, to start again.
Someone should tell the senior Truss, caveat emptor, very very heavy emphasis on caveat. Guilty by association is still on the statutes.
Addendum:-
When I first read the quote, it was of passing interest; but it may be the catch of the year. Something is going on; had a beer with P7 on Saturday (I.O.U.) he mentioned some of his crew had telephone calls from the Commonwealth Ombudsman's office, seeking permission to release documents under FOI. While the stuff wasn't 'ancient' history, it was not 'fresh'. As Al Capone said, once is circumstance, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action. I wonder what's going on???. Someone is digging deep. Insert Kelpie::: endit......
The ATSB report was at least bearable and worthy of some attention; the ATSB troops will try to wright the ship and will, with qualified leadership revert to a world class safety authority. But, if Truss swallows any of the CASA rubbish, his advisors need to be fired or handed over to the AFP for perpetrating serious fraud. Never has a printed document revealed the absolute hopelessness of attempting to recover an expensive department to a point where it can be useful. The bare faced deception now published at great expense, the complicity of those who wrote it and the perfect arrogant contempt for government, industry and the taxpayer beggars belief (or reinforces it). Gods help the next DAS who turns up with less than a SWAT team, and a bus load of new faces, to start again.
CJ# 247 –"But of great humour was the CASA spin, the performance measures (complete load of poo) and the 'delays being managed' including percentages, oh my god, you have to be kidding us right?"
CJ # 247 –"If they consider Certificate Management Teams and the completion of the 12 year re-write of the crap SPM to be a success then our industry is in worse shape than even the most diehard critic realizes. (my bold).
Wiki - Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware" (from caveat, "may he beware", the subjunctive of cavere, "to beware" + emptor, "buyer").
Sarcs # 1604 "However what caught my attention on FF’s disclosure log was an entry for July: f13-4067
Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.
Now this document may have been dredged up elsewhere on here (and is probably more relevant to Creamy’s Reg Reform thread) but many of the findings and recommendations of the ARRT in 2007 have a familiar theme to this and many other threads.
When I first read the quote, it was of passing interest; but it may be the catch of the year. Something is going on; had a beer with P7 on Saturday (I.O.U.) he mentioned some of his crew had telephone calls from the Commonwealth Ombudsman's office, seeking permission to release documents under FOI. While the stuff wasn't 'ancient' history, it was not 'fresh'. As Al Capone said, once is circumstance, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action. I wonder what's going on???. Someone is digging deep. Insert Kelpie::: endit......
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Often come up away (indeed mostly) from Charon's posts (and his/her coterie) bemused, bewildered and mystified. I think of his/her posts as s Churchill said in another context: "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma".
But, just when I thought this unintelligible series of in-jokes and code-words could get no worse......to see on these pages one of the said coterie quoting Richardson as some guide to Ministerial probity was a new low (or high if we're looking at the farce levels". An absolute joke.
You may have valid points.....even by accident some of what you're saying could be right....but PULEEEEZE, get real both on both readability and believability so the rest of us can see what you're on about. Might even end up a supporter!!
But, just when I thought this unintelligible series of in-jokes and code-words could get no worse......to see on these pages one of the said coterie quoting Richardson as some guide to Ministerial probity was a new low (or high if we're looking at the farce levels". An absolute joke.
You may have valid points.....even by accident some of what you're saying could be right....but PULEEEEZE, get real both on both readability and believability so the rest of us can see what you're on about. Might even end up a supporter!!
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It really is very, very simple Algie; just don't read my twiddles, if they offend thee so much. But, if you must, then read everyone's posts on the page. Then, you will see that the current topic is the CASA report; recently published, read by and commented on by those with an intelligent interest of how aviation is managed.
Despite your endless, tedious, easily ignored personal attacks, achieving nothing apart from making you appear slightly fatuous, you could use that energy, actually do the reading and contribute to the topic. As for your support; well, there must be a place somewhere on your planet where the sun don't shine; apply therein.
Drift off - Ta,...
Despite your endless, tedious, easily ignored personal attacks, achieving nothing apart from making you appear slightly fatuous, you could use that energy, actually do the reading and contribute to the topic. As for your support; well, there must be a place somewhere on your planet where the sun don't shine; apply therein.
Churchill’s potent spirit of perseverance and determination is best summed up in one of his own maxims: “We must just KBO.” The initials stood for “Keep Buggering On.”8 Churchill understood the dangers of defeatism and poor morale as a soldier and leader, so he set the example needed to inspire others around him… and he kept “buggering on.”
Drift off - Ta,...
Algie be reassured that you are not alone in your requests for Plain English Postings, even the Moderator has requested them! The big difference is that the Mods have the ability to lock the thread if they think that the twiddles have become twaddle.
If you want to take the advise to read back through the thread, start with post #1521 it might assist with yours (and others) understanding of what is expected.
If you want to take the advise to read back through the thread, start with post #1521 it might assist with yours (and others) understanding of what is expected.
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casa anyone?? what is their obligation?? in this
I have looked at the casa Annual Report.
Come on casa!!
For example, at Page 20:
And from this, only the following words answer the Senator's:
Just 30 words explain away why the committe in part said :
No answer Fort Fumble.
Come on casa!!
For example, at Page 20:
Parliamentary engagement and accountability
During the reporting period, CASA welcomed the opportunity presented by the parliamentary committee process and its participation in the Senate Standing Committees on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Inquiry into Aviation Accident Investigations in October 2012 and February 2013 to provide our organisational experience and perspective to parliamentary representatives on the 2009 accident at Norfolk Island.
Although no lives were lost in the accident, there is no doubt that the experience has left a lasting legacy for those involved. In my role as Director
of Aviation Safety, the safety of all air travellers is paramount and the lessons learned from all accidents and incidents are given the highest priority when making further improvements to the system of aviation safety..
During the reporting period, CASA welcomed the opportunity presented by the parliamentary committee process and its participation in the Senate Standing Committees on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Inquiry into Aviation Accident Investigations in October 2012 and February 2013 to provide our organisational experience and perspective to parliamentary representatives on the 2009 accident at Norfolk Island.
Although no lives were lost in the accident, there is no doubt that the experience has left a lasting legacy for those involved. In my role as Director
of Aviation Safety, the safety of all air travellers is paramount and the lessons learned from all accidents and incidents are given the highest priority when making further improvements to the system of aviation safety..
.... on the 2009 accident at Norfolk Island.
Although no lives were lost in the accident, there is no doubt that the experience has left a lasting legacy for those involved.
Although no lives were lost in the accident, there is no doubt that the experience has left a lasting legacy for those involved.
The committee was understandably troubled by allegations that agencies whose role it is to protect and enhance aviation safety were acting in ways which could compromise that safety.
It therefore resolved to take all appropriate action to investigate these allegations in order to assure itself, the industry and the travelling public that processes currently in place in CASA and the ATSB are working effectively.
It therefore resolved to take all appropriate action to investigate these allegations in order to assure itself, the industry and the travelling public that processes currently in place in CASA and the ATSB are working effectively.
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ARRT, Albo's GWEP and DoIT..(or DIRD) Show Cause Notice!
Trolling through the 61 submissions in the infamous (go nowhere) 2008 Senate Inquiry and while sorting the wheat from the chaff (some good stuff in there from some wise old boffins ), I came across a reference to the ARRT report in James Kimpton's submission (my bold):
So after a bit more digging around I was able to track down Albo's missive..err press release : Report of the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce
Okay so Albo did acknowledge the practical contribution of the ARRT report and he said that the findings/recommendations would be incorporated in the Great Green Elephant Paper and then onto the GWEP, so did it..?? Well if we go to the Dept(of whatever it is these days) dedicated GWEP website page...err??..it appears that it is gone, obliterated...or shelf-wared perhaps?? Hmm interesting wonder if that is a Trusster or Kingcrat initiative?? Never mind managed to find it here: Aviation Publications.
So looking for a reference to the ARRT report...looking...looking..OK here we go from the GGEP(page 57-58):
And the GWEP (page105):
Okay so the ARRT report was referenced and incorporated into the green and white paper, so all good so far! It is also interesting to note that the 2008 Senate Inquiry report was also referenced in the GWEP:
So combine all that lot with Albo’s statement of expectations of the Fort Fumble Board (at appendix C of the GWEP), everything was going along swimmingly...so what happened?? Perhaps we need to issue a Show Cause Notice on the Department (of whatever) as there would appear that there is a number of non-compliances by Kingcrat & co in failing to administer government policy (that had industry goodwill and backing) over a period of at least 5 years...
Hint Senators/Minister: For reference start with the ARRT report recommendations and then the three Senate Inquiry recommendations/findings since.
) 2008 Senate Inquiry and while sorting the wheat from the chaff (some good stuff in there from some wise old boffins ), I came across a reference to the ARRT report in James Kimpton's submission (my bold):
There is the question of the regulatory review, which is keenly awaited by industry. Delays are understood to be due to a shortage of drafters, preventing legal drafting of proposed rules, even though there is apparently a ‘queue’ of regulatory proposals ready for that step. As a stop-gap CASA has sensibly implemented some changes via Civil Aviation Orders. The Minister’s release of the Aviation Safety Regulatory Review Taskforce’s report in the last few days suggests that thought has been given to expediting the Regulatory Review’s completion and a plan exists for finalising rules the Taskforce considered as ‘priority areas of focus’ within three years, provided the shortage of drafters is overcome. The Taskforce has recommended accordingly. The Minister’s acceptance of the ‘broad thrust of the recommendations’ is welcome and hopefully this means that the resources which the report acknowledges are required, particularly in the legislative drafting area, will be made available as soon as possible; as the report implicitly acknowledges this will require cooperation from OLDP in the Attorney-General’s Department. The CEO’s directives with respect to rule-making appear to cover relevant issues and, assuming they are followed, the resulting rules should be well received
So after a bit more digging around I was able to track down Albo's missive..err press release
: Report of the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce
MEDIA RELEASE
The Hon Anthony Albanese
Minister for Infrastructure, Transport,
Regional Development and Local Government
Leader of the House
Member for Grayndler
June 26 2008
Today I have released the Report of the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce.
The Taskforce was established by the previous government in response to concern by some aviation industry participants that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulatory reform program was not achieving the desired objective of lower cost, less prescriptive and more effective regulation.
I extend the Government’s thanks to the Taskforce chair, Dr Allan Hawke, and Taskforce members Mr Bruce Byron, Mr Jeff Boyd, Mr Rob Graham, Mr David Cox and Mr Dick Smith.
The Taskforce has made recommendations to the new Government on the way forward. I accept the broad thrust of the recommendations and believe the Taskforce’s Report will make a practical contribution to improving aviation safety.
In April, I announced the Government would deliver Australia’s first National Aviation Policy Statement, or White Paper, to chart the future of aviation policy in this country.
This Report will be taken into account in the development of a ‘Green Paper’, to be released in the second half of 2008.
Aviation industry participants will have an ongoing opportunity to comment on regulatory issues as the National Aviation Policy Statement is developed.
I also expect the current Senate inquiry into CASA’s governance will find the Report useful in its deliberations.
The Report is available on the CASA website: http://casa.gov.au/arrt.
Information about the development of Australia’s National Aviation Policy Statement can be found at: www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/nap/index.aspx.
The Hon Anthony Albanese
Minister for Infrastructure, Transport,
Regional Development and Local Government
Leader of the House
Member for Grayndler
June 26 2008
Today I have released the Report of the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce.
The Taskforce was established by the previous government in response to concern by some aviation industry participants that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulatory reform program was not achieving the desired objective of lower cost, less prescriptive and more effective regulation.
I extend the Government’s thanks to the Taskforce chair, Dr Allan Hawke, and Taskforce members Mr Bruce Byron, Mr Jeff Boyd, Mr Rob Graham, Mr David Cox and Mr Dick Smith.
The Taskforce has made recommendations to the new Government on the way forward. I accept the broad thrust of the recommendations and believe the Taskforce’s Report will make a practical contribution to improving aviation safety.
In April, I announced the Government would deliver Australia’s first National Aviation Policy Statement, or White Paper, to chart the future of aviation policy in this country.
This Report will be taken into account in the development of a ‘Green Paper’, to be released in the second half of 2008.
Aviation industry participants will have an ongoing opportunity to comment on regulatory issues as the National Aviation Policy Statement is developed.
I also expect the current Senate inquiry into CASA’s governance will find the Report useful in its deliberations.
The Report is available on the CASA website: http://casa.gov.au/arrt.
Information about the development of Australia’s National Aviation Policy Statement can be found at: www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/nap/index.aspx.
Okay so Albo did acknowledge the practical contribution of the ARRT report and he said that the findings/recommendations would be incorporated in the Great Green Elephant Paper and then onto the GWEP, so did it..
?? Well if we go to the Dept(of whatever it is these days) dedicated GWEP website page...err??..it appears that it is gone, obliterated...or shelf-wared perhaps?? Hmm interesting wonder if that is a Trusster or Kingcrat initiative?? Never mind managed to find it here: Aviation Publications.So looking for a reference to the ARRT report...looking...looking..OK here we go
from the GGEP(page 57-58):
Improving CASA’s interactions with industry
CASA consults extensively with industry and this consultation is important in ensuring that industry and the regulator are on the same page with regard to CASA’s regulatory role. The Government’s clear expectation is that CASA’s consultation with the aviation industry will be broadly based, focussed and constructive.
CASA’s current consultative arrangements are, however, time consuming and industry and CASA share a view that entrenched disagreements exposed in the consultation processes should not impede timely regulatory action, including the development of new regulations.
The Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce, chaired by Dr Allan Hawke, addressed the issue of the pace of CASA’s regulatory reform program, which has been underway for close to a decade. The Taskforce, whose report can be accessed at<http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/taskforce/index.htm>,made a number of recommendations in this area to expedite progress. Many of these are already being addressed and some significant progress has been made recently in finalising important regulations.
The Government is committed to implementing the Taskforce’s key recommendation that the regulatory reform program be completed by 2010-11 and, in consultation with CASA’s management and the new Board, the Government will support reforms to CASA’s consultation with industry that lead to effective, quicker and more transparent safety regulatory outcomes. The aim of these reforms will be to allow industry views to be collected and timely regulatory decisions to be reached that meet the balance of public interest
CASA consults extensively with industry and this consultation is important in ensuring that industry and the regulator are on the same page with regard to CASA’s regulatory role. The Government’s clear expectation is that CASA’s consultation with the aviation industry will be broadly based, focussed and constructive.
CASA’s current consultative arrangements are, however, time consuming and industry and CASA share a view that entrenched disagreements exposed in the consultation processes should not impede timely regulatory action, including the development of new regulations.
The Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce, chaired by Dr Allan Hawke, addressed the issue of the pace of CASA’s regulatory reform program, which has been underway for close to a decade. The Taskforce, whose report can be accessed at<http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/taskforce/index.htm>,made a number of recommendations in this area to expedite progress. Many of these are already being addressed and some significant progress has been made recently in finalising important regulations.
The Government is committed to implementing the Taskforce’s key recommendation that the regulatory reform program be completed by 2010-11 and, in consultation with CASA’s management and the new Board, the Government will support reforms to CASA’s consultation with industry that lead to effective, quicker and more transparent safety regulatory outcomes. The aim of these reforms will be to allow industry views to be collected and timely regulatory decisions to be reached that meet the balance of public interest
Recognising the importance of regulatory certainty and clarity to the industry, the Government places a high priority on finalising the reform of these three suites of regulations. In response to the findings of the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce (the Hawke Taskforce), the Government is taking action on a number of fronts to expedite the development of these core regulations and other elements of the current regulatory agenda.
Okay so the ARRT report was referenced and incorporated into the green and white paper, so all good so far! It is also interesting to note that the 2008 Senate Inquiry report was also referenced in the GWEP:
Senate Committee report
The Senate Standing Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport (the Senate Committee) conducted an inquiry into the administration of CASA and related matters during the Issues Paper consultation period, and reported publicly on 18 September 2008. The Committee supported the introduction of a CASA Board and revision of CASA’s funding arrangements, and recommended the regulatory reform program be concluded as quickly as possible.
The Committee also recommended that the Auditor-General, an independent statutory officer, consider auditing CASA’s implementation and administration of SMS.
The Committee also recommended that the Auditor-General, an independent statutory officer, consider auditing CASA’s implementation and administration of SMS.
So combine all that lot with Albo’s statement of expectations of the Fort Fumble Board (at appendix C of the GWEP), everything was going along swimmingly...so what happened?? Perhaps we need to issue a Show Cause Notice on the Department (of whatever) as there would appear that there is a number of non-compliances by Kingcrat & co in failing to administer government policy (that had industry goodwill and backing) over a period of at least 5 years...
Hint Senators/Minister: For reference start with the ARRT report recommendations and then the three Senate Inquiry recommendations/findings since.