PPRuNe Forums

Go Back   PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Forgotten your Username/Password?


Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 28th Jul 2010, 01:20   #21 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: sydney
Age: 46
Posts: 1,269
Quote:
I wonder if the pilots recieve the same level of training as the Air NZ and Qantas pilots do, ie a 'Queenstown Ground school' and specific 'Queenstown Simulator Training' ? They probably do , can anyone confirm the extent of special training they get?
Anyone?
I ask because my feeling is that cost cutting over the last decade or so is eating into our safety standards (as an industry) and I would be interested to know if this is the case here. Running sims and ground schools for a specific airport is expensive business and I imagine it would be tempting for a low cost airline to skimp a bit on this. If they haven't skimped on this then I doubt they are going to be making much money in Qtown with AirNZ, Jetstar and Qantas all serving it already.
If they have provided less than the other airlines provide to their crews then I feel for the crew involved and the company is reaping what they have sown.
Framer
framer is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 02:36   #22 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Daghdaghistan
Posts: 441
Yes.. on both.. specific ground and Computer based training course and a course of simulator training, just like all the other part 121 jet operators that fly in and out of ZQN. As well as final check to line to operate into that port with a flight examiner..
Cypher is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 05:09   #23 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: sydney
Age: 46
Posts: 1,269
Thanks for that Cypher. Its good to hear that is the case.
framer is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 06:10   #24 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Sydney
Posts: 120
TV 3

Quote:
a normal 737 departure out of ZQN involved climbing to 10,000' in a matter of seconds
After checking the technical log of the aircraft involved in the incident, I can confirm that the Afterburners on the CFM56 engines on this aircraft were both unserviceable on the day and the aircraft was operating under an MEL.

Assy
assymetric is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 06:21   #25 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: away...
Posts: 49
Gawd, how I hope someone (media) bites on that one assymetric!!!
Jober.as.a.Sudge is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 06:32   #26 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Age: 35
Posts: 69
Sounds like Campbell Live are going the whole hog on it tonight, sim re-enactment and account from thought-I-was-going-to-die passenger on this flight. Flight of DEAAAAAAAAATH.
sleemanj is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 06:52   #27 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: south pacific
Age: 28
Posts: 131
good s&%# to watch
bowing is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 08:22   #28 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Age: 35
Posts: 69
Here's John Campbell's piece...

Relive the infamous Pacific Blue flight out of Queenstown - Campbell Live - Video - 3 News
sleemanj is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 08:34   #29 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: No fixed abode
Posts: 142
Oh my god that's some of the worst reporting I have ever seen? I only watched the first minute or so?

That sim guy must extremely pissed off with himself when he watches that? He's not typed on the A/c, not trained in Queenstown and has no idea about much!!

The reporter, very disappointing no research what so ever TV3 you sure made cocks of yourselves over that!!
big buddah is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 08:51   #30 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 0A
Posts: 4,078
Watch what you say on the PA.
Capn Bloggs is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 08:56   #31 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: out there
Posts: 102
piss poor journalism TV3!
The Hill is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 09:03   #32 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: The Land Downunder
Posts: 765
What a load of CRAP
Artificial Horizon is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 09:09   #33 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Oz
Posts: 694
Is there a link that anyone can post for the departure and arrival procedure.
nomorecatering is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 09:10   #34 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: No fixed abode
Posts: 142
Love the comment "Visibility was reported at 32km, is that enough?", Sim idiot "It's enough on a normal day to go flying but you need a bit more than that to get out of Queenstown, we can't even see the end of Lake Wakatipu"

What the F..k!
What an idiot!

If I was PB I'd being suing TV3 for the embarrassment! and the aero club sim guy!
big buddah is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 09:27   #35 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 0A
Posts: 4,078
Links to approaches and departures here:

VATNZ - VATSIM New Zealand - Queenstown

What departure were they doing?
Capn Bloggs is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 10:48   #36 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: NZ
Posts: 624
leave a comment on the story page at tv3news.co.nz

Horrible journalism....
Sqwark2000 is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 11:07   #37 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: 150 Relative
Posts: 19
According to the reporter the sim guy "is a trained pilot", whats the bet not on the 73? Wonder if that 'interesting' takeoff was requested by tv3 to exaggerate the 'im going to die' story
scon is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 11:31   #38 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South of the Equator
Posts: 105
A google search revealed a 'Liam Brown' that holds a PPL passed in 03.

http://www.northshoreaeroclub.co.nz/...nts_to2007.pdf (page 6).

Must have taken him years. I mean having to wait weeks on end to get a day with 32kms vis to go flying must have been a killer
Water Wings is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 12:01   #39 (permalink)
PBN
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 26
This is guna be a shit storm Campbell old boy, I hope you and your station are well covered..................................................... ............................
PBN is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2010, 19:37   #40 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: wear the fox hat
Posts: 342
What sort of departure ... the "Home sick angel 1 dep"

Accel to the Bricks along the lake...... then stand it on the tail in thrust until above terrain.

Have to agree, terrible reporting. wouldnt blame the young bloke in the sim though, looks like he was set up to me.
slamer. is offline   Reply
 
 
This ad will disappear if you login
Reply
 


Thread Tools


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 14:04.


vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 1996-2012 The Professional Pilots Rumour Network

As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.

*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".