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So how do you know the new T & C's will be a deterioration on the present? I'm not having a go but we need to see the printed form. I would assume they will be less and would like to know how they can just introduce new T & C's mid EBA?
We need every pilot in J* to stand up and say thats enough and if need be apply to FWA for protected industrial action (it actually is called protected for a reason) to apply some pressure. I am assuming they see Tiger being able to recruit on Jack T & C's and wish to follow suit.
There will be a point when they will find out just how little they can pay and still get crew but my feeling is in twenty years you will leave high school, become a cadet, get a command by 28 and by the time your 32 you realise if you don't change profession now you are financially stuffed for life. Additionally there are plenty of not quite as crappy GA jobs that now pay more than an FO with J* or Tiger, you're gonna need a command to buy a coffee for morning tea without using he visa!!
Edit; Oh yes, my guess is that when the EBA does open up for negotiations, the company will offer less than you are on now following in the footsteps of Tiger. But its only a 3% drop and you may negotiate that back to 1.5%.
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So how do you know the new T & C's will be a deterioration on the present? I'm not having a go but we need to see the printed form. I would assume they will be less and would like to know how they can just introduce new T & C's mid EBA?
We need every pilot in J* to stand up and say thats enough and if need be apply to FWA for protected industrial action (it actually is called protected for a reason) to apply some pressure. I am assuming they see Tiger being able to recruit on Jack T & C's and wish to follow suit.
There will be a point when they will find out just how little they can pay and still get crew but my feeling is in twenty years you will leave high school, become a cadet, get a command by 28 and by the time your 32 you realise if you don't change profession now you are financially stuffed for life. Additionally there are plenty of not quite as crappy GA jobs that now pay more than an FO with J* or Tiger, you're gonna need a command to buy a coffee for morning tea without using he visa!!
Edit; Oh yes, my guess is that when the EBA does open up for negotiations, the company will offer less than you are on now following in the footsteps of Tiger. But its only a 3% drop and you may negotiate that back to 1.5%.
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Before anyone says that J* guys should simply "work to rule" if it can be determined that pilots are working to rule then they can be charged and if it cannot then the company would not know nor therefore care and you are simply left with a bunch of bitter and twisted pilots throwing on a bit too much fuel for Mum and the kids at the expense of the environment without the company being any the wiser.
Unfortnunately ILS, takeoff & landing recency suffers. But operational safety is the Captains main priority.
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Thankfully airlines like Cathay and Emirates don't have the same mindset like you have so clearly displayed, otherwise us Aussies would never have the opportunity to fly for them as so many of us already do.
Before anyone says that J* guys should simply "work to rule" if it can be determined that pilots are working to rule then they can be charged
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Before anyone says that J* guys should simply "work to rule" if it can be determined that pilots are working to rule then they can be charged
Because in a perfect company, you would be looked after so that if they end up short staffed (say a flu outbreak) you wouldn't mind coming in on a day off to help out and work when you don't have to but are legally allowed to.
But I do see your point, if people are doing this for companies that don't look after them, then the company won't realise the dissatisfaction.
But I do see your point, if people are doing this for companies that don't look after them, then the company won't realise the dissatisfaction.
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True, I don't know of any GA jobs that pay 200K. I am talking about the FO pay because in J* you have to survive on that for quite a while before you get a command. I also don't know of any J* A320 drivers on 200+ either command or otherwise, last time I checked the EBA it was quite a bit lower.
At least in tiger the command comes quick if you have the wright experience when you start.
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True, I don't know of any GA jobs that pay 200K. I am talking about the FO pay because in J* you have to survive on that for quite a while before you get a command. I also don't know of any J* A320 drivers on 200+ either command or otherwise, last time I checked the EBA it was quite a bit lower.
At least in tiger the command comes quick if you have the wright experience when you start.
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At least in tiger the command comes quick if you have the wright experience when you start
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i would be almost certain that there would be no sympathy from ANY QF pilot. Quite the opposite in fact.
There was certainly no sympathy or support from QANTAS pilots during 'that year', 21 years ago. They just could not see what was coming. OK, OK, now ancient history but it was the beginning of 'the race to the bottom'.
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The only choice now is yours if you dont like it leave
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So far not too much FACT on this thread...just the usual stone throwing!
I assume that Jetstar have implemented the "Modern Award"? Thanks to those that voted Labour!
So is it the modern award? And what is the pay? From reading, it would need to be in the vicinity of $140,000 (Captain) to cover all the incidentals.
I assume that Jetstar have implemented the "Modern Award"? Thanks to those that voted Labour!
So is it the modern award? And what is the pay? From reading, it would need to be in the vicinity of $140,000 (Captain) to cover all the incidentals.
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Surely the current Jetstar EBA will only be applicable to the conditions of the new hire if the new hires are actually employed by Jetstar. From what I have seen come out from the company they are setting up another entity entirely to deal with the employment of LWOP pilots who want to go to Australia. Maybe it is with this 'new' company that new hires will be working for. It is effectively what they have done with Jetstar New Zealand. We are New Zealand pilots when we get paid, but fly australian registered aircraft, on australian licences and medical as one big happy family with Jetstar EBA pilots. Funnily enough at the recent managment roadshows much was made about the fact we would soon be able to transfer around the jetstar groups on 'local' terms and conditons. No mention whatsoever that it would be 'new' local terms and conditions. More bullsh*t from head office, I don't know why I am suprised
More bullsh*t from head office, I don't know why I am suprised
Jetstar was setup to undercut Qantas mainline and now they're looking to undercut you. No surprises there at all. The company has one concern and one concern only $$$$$$$$. If they can find a way to do it cheaper and legally - thank God Workchoices II didn't materialise - then they will!
My advice? Get over the perceived slights from the meeting that was held with a certain ex-Qantas Chief Pilot in the past, pay your dues and join AIPA and hope to God that AIPA's Jetconnect case gets up.
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Regretfully, Sharkies plea that Qantas Group Pilots..
Is too little and too late to make much difference, even if AIPA does unexpectedly win its Fair Work Case.
Time has marched on. To get back into the game, Pilots and others are going to have to buy into the Company while it is still Australian owned and they still can.
Yes, it’s going to cost and it will be risky, but at $2.30 a share, there is money to be made and jobs to be saved.
Think United!
Join AIPA and hope to God that AIPA's Jetconnect case gets up...
Is too little and too late to make much difference, even if AIPA does unexpectedly win its Fair Work Case.
Time has marched on. To get back into the game, Pilots and others are going to have to buy into the Company while it is still Australian owned and they still can.
Yes, it’s going to cost and it will be risky, but at $2.30 a share, there is money to be made and jobs to be saved.
Think United!