Does sound a little "sus". Management have spent the last 3 years, quite conservately I might add, growing the business out of the ashes of the old Ansett regionals. Whilst I must admit that I have never seen things better, it's probably a little premature.
Mind you I have been on leave for the last 2 weeks.
Virgin is commited to any type that will make more money! The 144/180 seat 737 is not the best aircraft for many of the "regional" routes. I think the E170/190 will eventually make it to oz for this very reason. Good luck to Rex if they get them first.
WW, I think you have hit the nail on the head, any type that makes money is a winner regardless of whatever anyone else thinks, and to bring in another type would be very easy if its a user pay system as they are using now. Good on them if it gets the job done. We need more of this in Oz if the aviation scene is to survive.
If (if!) rex has placed an order, then its news to Embraer. Nothing in their press room. Nothing on their published orders.
If (if again!) rex is secretly ordering aircraft, then they are at the end of a farking long queue. Plenty of time to write ops manuals in the three or so years it might take till the production line catches up to an order placed in late 2005/early 2006.
Several types to serve the market better and grow the market?
Just ask JQ. As soon as the last 717 goes ta-da's and A320 are doing all the runs, their cost per seat mile FALLS. Yeah, big aeroplane into little ports, but one type, one set of pilots, sops, etc etc. Those numbers are from the top.
Rex is doing way to well to be worried about another type. it's great to see that they have forged a godd business out of the wrecks of ZL and KD.
There's no way that the Singaporean would want to blow it all on a few jets that wont suit their route network. Remember they had to pump multiple millions into REX to keep it going when that Jones goose blew all the initial capital
As soon as the last 717 goes ta-da's and A320 are doing all the runs, their cost per seat mile FALLS.
An aeroplane with a lower seat costs will only deliver better results if you FILL all those seats. True, the cost of introducing a new type (sims, maintenance etc) must be accounted for, but I would bet that a 70-110 seat embraer would eat the 737/A320 on some routes where it is difficult to fill all those extra seats.
I still think a new high performance T/P is the way to go for rex, Dash 8 Q400 320kts TAS is a more economic option..and still only 15mins slower on a 500nm mile sector but in comparison to a CRJ, E170....38-45% less fuel burn, plus you can make that time up in a quicker turn around.
I would just like to know why there is always some idiot out there that has to start all this cr@p. We all know that jets are a very long way away and that it probably wont even happen. I doubt that they would get them for VB regional feeder as VB would have to do a lot of upgrading on their res system and at least be able to be acessed on GAL, as it is at the moment it is only a tin pot nickel and dime stand alone system. So can someone please tell me why they have to write so much rot.
Your reply shows a shallow depth of character if all you wished for is a bite. How quickly you forget what effects of those guys losing their jobs had on them & their family’s lives. You probably have no understanding anyway as it didn’t effect you. I’m glad you find it amusing.
“Just perfect! I'm sure they can show the world how to fly them and how it needs to be flown just like the A320!”
It is offensive to label an entire group of people with the tag of “arrogance” as you have done so when you are clearly wrong. Many CRJ people whom you have labeled were great people who had given their heart & soul to KD over many years, long before the CRJ. What did they get for their loyalty & dedication, a knife in the back! They certainly did not have the arrogance that you imply.
“but watching those important decisions being made by pilots was entertaining to say the least......”
If your going to comment, at least get your facts correct. If your up on your history mate you will remember that it was KD CEO, Geoff B, & his bean counting management who made all the initial decisions with regard to the CRJ. No pilots were involved at all.
Geoff B’s management team completely stuffed up the aircraft spec’s (ie baggage – cheap low strength floor) & the planning of the initial introduction (Yes Mr Bombardier, we’ll take the cheapest course thanks that no other operator takes!). KD’s finance team even stuffed up the aircraft leasing with US dollar exchange rates. Being too set in their KD ways of “no one can tell us anything” they refused to ask for help until finally CASA rejected the High Cap AOC.
Here lies your answer as to why the CRJ manuals closely followed the A320. It was the quickest way to recover the High Cap AOC application. CASA requested AN to become involved. The manuals were rewritten with the help of A320 pilots. CASA was happy with new manuals & approved the AOC. The intent was to then, over time rewrite the manuals in line with Bombardier’s recommendations. This was in the process of being done prior to the collapse. How would have Geoff B & his management team have looked if this didn’t happen? How many millions of dollars were saved by this? Again, nothing to do with the pilots stuffing up important decisions as you mistakenly refer.
I still find it amusing that REX has taken Geoff back after his disastrous effort at managing KD. How sad.
As I said before, don’t you just love how the wheel turns…