Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Ground & Other Ops Forums > ATC Issues
Reload this Page >

Upper VS Uniform (for letter U)

Wikiposts
Search
ATC Issues A place where pilots may enter the 'lions den' that is Air Traffic Control in complete safety and find out the answers to all those obscure topics which you always wanted to know the answer to but were afraid to ask.

Upper VS Uniform (for letter U)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 16th Nov 2017, 00:46
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Upper VS Uniform (for letter U)

Hello everybody

Many times when the ATC clears us for an airway they would say for eg. (clear Upper Alpha 1 1 2) for UA112 and not Uniform Alpha.

Any Idea what's the reason behind this?
Or maybe it's a regional thing and not global
Tango23 is offline  
Old 16th Nov 2017, 15:57
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: yes
Posts: 225
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
You could have UA112 or perhaps LA112. U meaning Upper Airway and L meaning Lower Airway
Up North Like is offline  
Old 16th Nov 2017, 22:55
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks UNL for the reply

Okay, but in that case what about the airways that start with W or N for example?

and why don't they call L Lower instead of Lima?

Thanks for the reply again
Tango23 is offline  
Old 17th Nov 2017, 08:41
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Wildest Surrey
Age: 75
Posts: 10,813
Received 94 Likes on 67 Posts
The 'split' depends on what the particular country you are flying though classes as 'upper' and 'lower' airspace. In the UK it is now FL195 as it is in most of Europe but previously it was FL245. An upper air route may be slightly different from its lower airway in spite of the numerical value being the same as the airway in lower airspace may need to deviate slightly to avoid (say) a danger area which might not extend into the upper airspace..
chevvron is offline  
Old 17th Nov 2017, 09:34
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: etha
Posts: 300
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Airways were just the single letter (no U or L beforehand) and numbers and denoted the airspace within 5nm of the centreline with a specific classification when in Lower Airspace. "Upper Air" starts at a defined FL (FL195+ in the UK) where all the airspace is designated Class C. The U was added to Upper air routes which is just a single centreline and aircraft within 5nm of the centreline are classed as "on-route" within that Class C airspace.

It's all historic now as slowly all the "U"s are being withdrawn and everything is being classed as an air route so expect no "U"s anywhere in a few years time!
zonoma is offline  
Old 17th Nov 2017, 10:35
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Muscat
Posts: 140
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ICAO Annex 11 Appendix 1

4. Use of designators in communications
4.1 In printed communications, the designator shall be expressed at all times by not less than two and not more than
six characters.
4.2 In voice communications, the basic letter of a designator shall be spoken in accordance with the ICAO spelling
alphabet.
4.3 Where the prefixes K, U or S specified in 2.3 are used, they shall, in voice communications, be spoken as follows:
K — KOPTER
U — UPPER
S — SUPERSONIC
The word “kopter” shall be pronounced as in the word “helicopter” and the words “upper” and “supersonic” as in the English
language.
4.4 Where the letters “F” or “G” specified in 2.4 are used, the flight crew should not be required to use them in voice
communications.
So they should be spoken as Upper and not Uniform
Little One is offline  
Old 18th Nov 2017, 00:44
  #7 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
chevvron
zonoma
Little one

Thank you very much guys, now it started to make much more sense
I'll pay closer attention to the future flight plan routes that I'll fly to connect all the dots.

Grazie
Tango23 is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2017, 15:13
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Muscat
Posts: 140
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There was a question about why certain letters like N and Q were used but seems that Question has been deleted. For those still looking for the answer its also in Annex 11

2. Composition of designator
2.1 The ATS route designator shall consist ofa basic designator supplemented, if necessary, by:
a) one prefix as prescribed in 2.3; and
b) one additional letter as prescribed in 2.4.
2.1.1 The number of characters required to compose the designator shall not exceed six characters.
2.1.2 The number of characters required to compose the designator should, whenever possible, be kept to a maximum
of five characters.
2.2 The basic designator shall consist of one letter of the alphabet followed by a number from 1 to 999.
2.2.1 Selection of the letter shall be made from those listed hereunder:
a) A, B, G, R for routes which form part of the regional networks of ATS routes and are not area navigation routes;
b) L, M, N, P for area navigation routes which form part of the regional networks of ATS routes;
c) H, J, V, W for routes which do not form part of the regional networks of ATS routes and are not area navigation
routes;
d) Q, T, Y, Z for area navigation routes which do notform part of the regional networks of ATS routes.
2.3 Where applicable, one supplementary letter shall be added as a prefix to the basic designator in accordance with
the following:
a) K to indicate a low-level route established for use primarily by helicopters;
b) U to indicate that the route or portion thereof is established in the upper airspace;
c) S to indicate a route established exclusively for use by supersonic aircraft during acceleration, deceleration and
while in supersonic flight.
2.4 When prescribed by the appropriate ATS authority or on the basis of regional air navigation agreements, a
supplementary letter may be added after the basic designator of the ATS route in question in order to indicate the type of
service provided in accordance with the following:
a) the letter F to indicate that on the route or portion thereof advisory service only is provided;
b) the letter G to indicate that on the route or portion thereof flight information service only is provided.
Little One is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 16:04
  #9 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Little One, You ROCK!
Tango23 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.