Separation with Parajumpers
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Separation with Parajumpers
Hello,
I have a question for all of you, in a Terminal control aerea of class D if you have at the same time IFR (approach or departure) and Parachute activity from FL130 (this level is actually outside the TMA) but landing on ground (inside the TMA), how would you provide separation for your IFR aircraft vs. the paras?
I would say that in a case like that you should stop on or the other activity until you have confirmation that all the jumpers are on ground or at least below the lowest level of the TMA. Please tell if I'm wrong but the only way to have an effective separation inside a controlled airspace, would be to create a segregated area where the paras can jump and keep the IFR at least 2.5 NM around?
In case instead the same situation happen outside the controlled airspace, like in airspace class E, the paras could jump from everywhere and it's responsibility of the PIC to avoid them?
Thank you.
I have a question for all of you, in a Terminal control aerea of class D if you have at the same time IFR (approach or departure) and Parachute activity from FL130 (this level is actually outside the TMA) but landing on ground (inside the TMA), how would you provide separation for your IFR aircraft vs. the paras?
I would say that in a case like that you should stop on or the other activity until you have confirmation that all the jumpers are on ground or at least below the lowest level of the TMA. Please tell if I'm wrong but the only way to have an effective separation inside a controlled airspace, would be to create a segregated area where the paras can jump and keep the IFR at least 2.5 NM around?
In case instead the same situation happen outside the controlled airspace, like in airspace class E, the paras could jump from everywhere and it's responsibility of the PIC to avoid them?
Thank you.
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Airspace class E is also defined as controlled for parajumpers in Denmark at least.
You need a clearance to jump when jumping in A-E airspace, and that clearance will be given depending on traffic.
A controller can get away with only providing trafficinformation after he cleared the jump, no seperation is needed.
I guess most controllers won't like jumpers in the approach and departure sectors, and they most likely won't give the go, if they have known traffic heading towards the jumpers at a lower altitude.
You need a clearance to jump when jumping in A-E airspace, and that clearance will be given depending on traffic.
A controller can get away with only providing trafficinformation after he cleared the jump, no seperation is needed.
I guess most controllers won't like jumpers in the approach and departure sectors, and they most likely won't give the go, if they have known traffic heading towards the jumpers at a lower altitude.
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We have a special procedure published in AIP.
We have established paradropping areas.
FPL and entry clearance required.
When pilot reports ready to paradrop,and cleared to start by ATCO, 3nm or 5nm(depending on circumstances) radar separation from that area required and 1000ft above,until such time when 3 minutes passed after pilot reported paradrop completed.
Hope helps.
We have established paradropping areas.
FPL and entry clearance required.
When pilot reports ready to paradrop,and cleared to start by ATCO, 3nm or 5nm(depending on circumstances) radar separation from that area required and 1000ft above,until such time when 3 minutes passed after pilot reported paradrop completed.
Hope helps.
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How does that work, 5,000' below something people are jumping out of???
UK has segregated para dropping areas where controlled airspace is involved. A/c remain clear of this unless overflying at all times that the para a/c is present.
UK has segregated para dropping areas where controlled airspace is involved. A/c remain clear of this unless overflying at all times that the para a/c is present.
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Nothing worse having just left the a/c than seeing something approaching below!
Avoiding action in free fall is limited when going down at 100mph.
Been there, done it and don't want to do that again, thank you.
Avoiding action in free fall is limited when going down at 100mph.
Been there, done it and don't want to do that again, thank you.
