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Take on board all of the above opinions, I fall generally on the side of good discipline. However, IMHO a much bigger problem is the apparent need of many pilots to speak insanely quickly and (some) so heavily accented that it is impossible to understand a single word that they have said.
They are speaking plenty but communicating nothing. For heavens sake slow down, it's not a race.
Regarding the accented comment above, please don't consider this a racist jibe as I come preprogrammed with an accent. I do however make a point of neutralising it at work.
They are speaking plenty but communicating nothing. For heavens sake slow down, it's not a race.
Regarding the accented comment above, please don't consider this a racist jibe as I come preprogrammed with an accent. I do however make a point of neutralising it at work.
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Admittedly I had to look it up..
Oxon
Oxon may refer to:
An abbreviation for the English county of Oxfordshire (from Oxonia, Latin for Oxford)
and for you Mr. Wiseguy, no American would spell Prioritize with an S
Oxon
Oxon may refer to:
An abbreviation for the English county of Oxfordshire (from Oxonia, Latin for Oxford)
and for you Mr. Wiseguy, no American would spell Prioritize with an S
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Scottish ABCD request?
ABCD Scottish pass your message
ABCD request left 10 due weather.
This one annoys me. Although I will request first if it's something longer or more unusual to make sure the controller has time to listen properly, otherwise they just have to get me to repeat anyway and it wastes time.
I do however have to admit to occasional use of confirm.
I just feel that whenever I have heard a frequency for example 95% well and maybe just not 100% sure if that one digit was a 2 or a 3, I think it's so much quicker for it to be like:
ABCD contact london 121.025
london 121.025 confirm acbd?
affirm bye
rather than
ABCD contact london 121.025
say again ABCD
ABCD contact london 121.025
london 121.025 ABCD
ABCD Scottish pass your message
ABCD request left 10 due weather.
This one annoys me. Although I will request first if it's something longer or more unusual to make sure the controller has time to listen properly, otherwise they just have to get me to repeat anyway and it wastes time.
I do however have to admit to occasional use of confirm.
I just feel that whenever I have heard a frequency for example 95% well and maybe just not 100% sure if that one digit was a 2 or a 3, I think it's so much quicker for it to be like:
ABCD contact london 121.025
london 121.025 confirm acbd?
affirm bye
rather than
ABCD contact london 121.025
say again ABCD
ABCD contact london 121.025
london 121.025 ABCD
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Don't controllers listen to the readbacks? Where I work, you read back the wrong frequency, I will correct you. No need for you to say 'confirm'. If I don't correct you, then you got it right the first time. All about read back and 'hear back'.
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We do listen to the read-back, and correct if wrong.
But there are times when a pilot, being one myself as well, where you hear an instruction, but are not certain if what you heard was correct, then, as a pilot, I would use "confirm".
There are also times when you can hear on a pilots voice that he's not really certain if the instruction he heard was correct, not using the exact word "confirm". In that case I put in the word "correct" before going on to the next task at hand. I'd rather have a pilot lingering around who is confident in what he is doing, than someone who is uncertain about if he's following the right instructions. Pilots are emotionel people, and they need caring
But there are times when a pilot, being one myself as well, where you hear an instruction, but are not certain if what you heard was correct, then, as a pilot, I would use "confirm".
There are also times when you can hear on a pilots voice that he's not really certain if the instruction he heard was correct, not using the exact word "confirm". In that case I put in the word "correct" before going on to the next task at hand. I'd rather have a pilot lingering around who is confident in what he is doing, than someone who is uncertain about if he's following the right instructions. Pilots are emotionel people, and they need caring
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Because you NEVER miss an incorrect readback? Well done.
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What irks me more than 'request/confirm' is when I say "standby" expecting silence so I can quickly transmit to the next aircraft, but there is a response of "standing by" or "roger, standing by"... grrr. When I say 'standby' I do not wish to hear a response, it means I'm busy, remain silent and wait, I will call you back!
