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Old 7th Dec 2012, 21:52   #1 (permalink)
 
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Jobs at... Birmingham?

I've just noticed a slew of ATC jobs at Birmingham on Flight Global: ATCO; SATCO; ATSE; SATSE.

Have NATS lost the Brum contract?
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 22:32   #2 (permalink)
 
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Interesting.

I'm pretty sure NATS HR usually does the hiring and firing for all their contracts.

What's going on I wonder?
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 09:14   #3 (permalink)
 
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Sabre rattling perchance. When's the contract up?
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 23:06   #4 (permalink)
 
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They are advertising for SATCO, ATCO's, ATCA's, Engineers the lot.
The wording suggests they are going to gauge the response, perhaps prior to renegotiations with NATS?

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As a result, the airport is currently evaluating its Air Traffic Service provision for the future.

Birmingham Airport would therefore like to invite expressions of interest for the following potential posts within its Airfield Operations Department:
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 15:42   #5 (permalink)
 
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I wonder what they're paying. Adverts don't include salary details as often as they used to.
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Old 11th Dec 2012, 18:29   #6 (permalink)
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Rumour has it the SATCO post may have been filled.........
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 14:54   #7 (permalink)
 
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........by an ex CAA Central Region ATS Inspector?
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 12:07   #8 (permalink)
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Does anyone know what the ATCA requirements would be for Birmingham? Presumably the same as any other ATCA position?

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Old 13th Dec 2012, 21:24   #9 (permalink)
 
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Tcas fan...you're half correct.The person referred too has been employed by the airport to oversee the process of testing the market as the atc contract is soon up I believe.As well as asking the established providers,the airport are also considering in house atc.(if that option is a few quid cheaper,they'll do it!).
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 05:02   #10 (permalink)
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The person referred too has been employed by the airport.....
Now there's a frightening thought! Just out of interest does anyone want to name the name?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 10:28   #11 (permalink)
 
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The airport love NATS but not the price!! Hell of a risk to the airport if they go it alone but money talks! I think NATS will keep the contract but the price will have to be good. The new tower and runway extension make NATS the best solution imho. !
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 11:02   #12 (permalink)
 
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I tend to agree; whatever others may claim, NATS produces the best controllers, but they do tend to try to make excessive profits on their airport contracts.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 11:31   #13 (permalink)
 
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NATS produces the best controllers
That is fairly dismissive of the others, n'est-ce pas?

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Old 14th Dec 2012, 11:32   #14 (permalink)
 
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I,m not sure,but if NATS have the contract to fit out the new ATC facility,then that may sway it for them.But they may have to do a deal with the airport to get to run it.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 17:07   #15 (permalink)
 
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whatever others may claim, NATS produces the best controllers
- Poppycock

Regarding Birmingham leaving NATS, they would either have to employ another ANSP or go it alone, the later not that simple or cheap.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 21:42   #16 (permalink)
 
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Won't the current staff be TUP'd (sp?) across to the new ANSP?

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Old 14th Dec 2012, 22:03   #17 (permalink)
 
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If another ANSP is selected AND staff elect to continue with their posts, yes.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 22:59   #18 (permalink)
 
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The new tower and runway extension make NATS the best solution imho. !
Why? Would all other qualified UK ATCOs struggle with a new tower AND a runway extension?

It's about time that ATC positions at the busier UK airports became available to those of us who don't already work for NATS. Ab initio trainees get far more of a chance than qualified and experienced non-NATS ATCOs at the moment.

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NATS produces the best controllers
So NATS people keep saying, but it's not what I've found...
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 09:51   #19 (permalink)
 
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From what I last saw NSL (ie airports) is not making a lot of money, hence the periodic rumour of NATS selling off NSL.

As for producing the best controllers, would tend to agree in general but they need to operate as a team, something that I understand Birmingham has recently had serious problems with, resulting in a breakdown of Team Resource Management and NSL interevention to attempt resolution.
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 18:19   #20 (permalink)
 
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NSL making money or not certainly depends on which aerodrome you are talking about.

Some contracts make healthy profits. Also NSL handle some of the overseas work
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