CDM at LHR
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CDM at LHR
Hi folks,
Sitting, waiting, listening to planner this morning awaiting our TSAT to come around, I was getting the feeling that the ATC weren't totally happy with the whole CDM process...
Whats the actual view from the coal face?
Cheers!
Sitting, waiting, listening to planner this morning awaiting our TSAT to come around, I was getting the feeling that the ATC weren't totally happy with the whole CDM process...
Whats the actual view from the coal face?
Cheers!
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The "TSAT", - marvellous!
What you actually need Cough is a 'Tea-Set', (TSET), - Emma Bridgewater does a nice one.
Then you can all sit on the flight deck, slurping some 'Earl Grey' or 'A Proper Cup Of Tetley'*
*delete as applicable
- Whilst waiting for operational ATC staff to try and get their heads round some more 'Horlicks' devised by office-dwellers somewhere in Europe.
'Collaborative Decision Making'? - Not Arff!!
What you actually need Cough is a 'Tea-Set', (TSET), - Emma Bridgewater does a nice one.
Then you can all sit on the flight deck, slurping some 'Earl Grey' or 'A Proper Cup Of Tetley'*
*delete as applicable
- Whilst waiting for operational ATC staff to try and get their heads round some more 'Horlicks' devised by office-dwellers somewhere in Europe.
'Collaborative Decision Making'? - Not Arff!!
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Loved it one evening at FRA, called to say we were ready and would just sit tight till the TSAT (at -18min - Naughty!)
Reply from FRA 'Tonight, this CDM is a load of rubbish, start approved, call ground'
Might be from Europe, doesn't mean they all agree!
Tetley, though from a paper cup, coz if you bring china that makes you weird!
Reply from FRA 'Tonight, this CDM is a load of rubbish, start approved, call ground'
Might be from Europe, doesn't mean they all agree!
Tetley, though from a paper cup, coz if you bring china that makes you weird!
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Can someone give a simple explanation of what CDM is please? I know its something to do with handing out start times, but I thought that was what the clearance delivery guy was for?
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Can someone give a simple explanation of what CDM is please?
It's something that some people think that they've invented because they're so smart. And now they want to share it with everyone. And they've even managed to convince those super self-elected people in the European Commission that this wonderful new idea they've come up with is the answer to lots of problems we have at airports.
So what is it? It's just common sense and talking to each other.
The sad thing is, having said this, I rather think it's a good idea. But the way we seem to be doing it trying to turn this common sense into a science.....sometimes complete with management consultants who know little about aeroplanes or airports telling how we should do our jobs.
And strangely, when I think back to my operational days, it's pretty much the way we worked before airports and air traffic became businesses and put managers in to 'manage' interfaces and stopped the people who can actually sort out all of daily life's little challenges in an entirely efficient way with a couple of phone calls.
Sorry. Rant over.
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I believe it's a computer generated target start time that will allow the aircraft, with regard to taxi time, to reach the runway just in time to meet it's allocated Slot (CTOT) time.
It's provided to the clearance delivery, or Ground Movement Planner, to pass to the aircraft.
It's provided to the clearance delivery, or Ground Movement Planner, to pass to the aircraft.
Makes you wonder how we ever coped without these new-fangled gadgets!
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Just looking through the CFMU list of acronyms, (with a Glenmorangie 12 Y.O.) is hilarious.
There are more 'times' than a TARDIS pilot could shake a big stick at.
We have:-
ACZT, ADIT, AEGT, AEZT, AGHT, AIBT, ATOT, ATTT, AXIT, AXOT, ECZT, EDIT, EEZT, EIBT, ELDT,EOBT, ERZT, ETOT, ETTT, EXIT, MTTT, TSAT, TLDT, TTOT.
No, don't laugh, I've just read it, it's real! Baker, Davidson and Pertwee would cr*p themselves.
The reason the world was cooler bookworm is because we live in an interglacial. Yep, fuel is running out, and it takes about 130,000,000 years to make some more oil.
One of the aims of ATC/ATFM/CDM is to allegedly reduce the production of CO2. Here's an idea. Close all the duty-free shops. - How many 'slots' are missed because pax are still lurking in the duty-free areas when they should be at the gate? How many tonnes of fuel are wasted by the annual hauling of thousands of litres of Bell's (etc), up to FL390? Put the tax-free shopping areas just before Customs at the destination. Missing an onward train connection is less critical than an a/c missing its CTOT, TTOT or whatever.
It would certainly make HMRC's job easier.
There are more 'times' than a TARDIS pilot could shake a big stick at.
We have:-
ACZT, ADIT, AEGT, AEZT, AGHT, AIBT, ATOT, ATTT, AXIT, AXOT, ECZT, EDIT, EEZT, EIBT, ELDT,EOBT, ERZT, ETOT, ETTT, EXIT, MTTT, TSAT, TLDT, TTOT.
No, don't laugh, I've just read it, it's real! Baker, Davidson and Pertwee would cr*p themselves.
The reason the world was cooler bookworm is because we live in an interglacial. Yep, fuel is running out, and it takes about 130,000,000 years to make some more oil.
One of the aims of ATC/ATFM/CDM is to allegedly reduce the production of CO2. Here's an idea. Close all the duty-free shops. - How many 'slots' are missed because pax are still lurking in the duty-free areas when they should be at the gate? How many tonnes of fuel are wasted by the annual hauling of thousands of litres of Bell's (etc), up to FL390? Put the tax-free shopping areas just before Customs at the destination. Missing an onward train connection is less critical than an a/c missing its CTOT, TTOT or whatever.
It would certainly make HMRC's job easier.
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ACZT, ADIT, AEGT, AEZT, AGHT, AIBT, ATOT, ATTT, AXIT, AXOT, ECZT, EDIT, EEZT, EIBT, ELDT,EOBT, ERZT, ETOT, ETTT, EXIT, MTTT, TSAT, TLDT, TTOT
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Just looked at the CDM document for Brussels from 2005.
It identifies 3 'key players'.
1. The ATFCM Expert and Punctuality Coordinator. - Chairman of the TOBT Working Group.
2. The Solutions Development Manager & BIAC Punctuality Manager.
3. BIAC/swITch - Business Solutions.
I've spared all the individual's names. You couldn't make this rubbish up. This was 7 YEARS AGO. Have they found the answers yet? (cf Project Apollo).
TW*T. Taxi-way Acceptance Time?
It identifies 3 'key players'.
1. The ATFCM Expert and Punctuality Coordinator. - Chairman of the TOBT Working Group.
2. The Solutions Development Manager & BIAC Punctuality Manager.
3. BIAC/swITch - Business Solutions.
I've spared all the individual's names. You couldn't make this rubbish up. This was 7 YEARS AGO. Have they found the answers yet? (cf Project Apollo).
TW*T. Taxi-way Acceptance Time?
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I'm sure we are all pleased with
"A collaborative and united team effort, focused on continuously improving their operation is collectively driving forward Heathrow as its stride for success."
The sentence peters out - what happens to Heathrow's stride ?
"“To date we are hugely proud and remain actively engaged with our Airline and Handler community as we continue roll out of this large cultural change programme through implementation and shortly finalise the transition into Business as usual!” Alison Bates, ACDM Project Manager "
Hurrah for Business as usual !
A-CDM full operational trials at Heathrow Airport | EUROCONTROL
"A collaborative and united team effort, focused on continuously improving their operation is collectively driving forward Heathrow as its stride for success."
The sentence peters out - what happens to Heathrow's stride ?
"“To date we are hugely proud and remain actively engaged with our Airline and Handler community as we continue roll out of this large cultural change programme through implementation and shortly finalise the transition into Business as usual!” Alison Bates, ACDM Project Manager "
Hurrah for Business as usual !
A-CDM full operational trials at Heathrow Airport | EUROCONTROL
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Interesting to note that, on 118.70's link, the controllers, (or actoors), are using 'Astrolite' headsets.
ATC always seemed better with 'Astrolite' headsets.
In the James Bond film 'A View To A Kill', the crew of the 'ZORIN', (now there's a crackin' name for a waypoint), airship, all wear 'Astrolite' headsets.
ATC always seemed better with 'Astrolite' headsets.
In the James Bond film 'A View To A Kill', the crew of the 'ZORIN', (now there's a crackin' name for a waypoint), airship, all wear 'Astrolite' headsets.
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I have two Astrolite headsets. One I bought when I worked at Kidlington and later used for ham radio. The second (bought off Ebay for a few quid) replaced the first one and is still in use for ham radio.
I don't really like them and much preferred the type they replaced - the Stratolite which weighed half of the Astrolite. Neither was better than the headset I used abroad with IAL, which weighed about 1.5 ounces!
I don't really like them and much preferred the type they replaced - the Stratolite which weighed half of the Astrolite. Neither was better than the headset I used abroad with IAL, which weighed about 1.5 ounces!