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1) leftovers are being recruited in the past and will be in the future... just an example: s.o. didn't get several checks out of langen acc (2,5 years of training), being posted to a small airfield/office work, etc...., dfs noticed the lack of "experienced" controllers, mentioned person is filling the gap....
How can he fill the gap when he didn't pass the checks and works at a small airfield/office work? :P
I have heard of cases where people have been given second chances at another unit and sometimes been dragged along in training for quite a long time until ultimately leaving (or miraculously passing), but no such thing as you mention.
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2) you deny the "insider deal" between the dfs and the mil's. ever been to krh uac?
There are 150+ trainees at the Academy right now, none of them military (the last small military course just left).
So, where are all those uniformed gap-fillers supposed to save us?
How can he fill the gap when he didn't pass the checks and works at a small airfield/office work? :P
I have heard of cases where people have been given second chances at another unit and sometimes been dragged along in training for quite a long time until ultimately leaving (or miraculously passing), but no such thing as you mention.
well, you're less than 2 years in the ops room, right? wait for another 3, you'll see....
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There are 150+ trainees at the Academy right now, none of them military (the last small military course just left).
So, where are all those uniformed gap-fillers supposed to save us?
well, you're less than 2 years in the ops room, right? wait for another 3, you'll see....
Well, I'll believe it when I see it.
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right next to you?
All those in DFS right now (including that last course) were planned in before this current "OMG we have too few controllers" "surprise".
So if they really tried to fill the gaps now, there would be new military courses.
I'm not saying they won't do that if it was possible. It isn't however. The military has its own gaps to fill, and is not sending any more.
current "OMG we have too few controllers" "surprise"
the FI-ad was published July/August 2008.....
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So if they really tried to fill the gaps now, there would be new military courses. [...] The military has its own gaps to fill, and is not sending any more.
70% fail in the DFS-academy, min. 10% more in OJT - hard to get s.o. to pull out the uniform. and those who left have to "problems" stated above......
The last military course started very early 2008.
And seeing how "quick" organizations like the DFS and Bundeswehr are, the actual planning of that course was done even much earlier than that.
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70% fail in the DFS-academy, min. 10% more in OJT - hard to get s.o. to pull out the uniform. and those who left have to "problems" stated above......
I'm really not sure where you get your information from.
At the Academy it has been less than a quarter for the last three military courses (that covers three years).
OJT is a different matter (the number is actually higher than 10%), but that's similar for civilian trainees.
At the Academy it has been less than a quarter for the last three military courses (that covers three years).
hahaha, mr. former navy officer.... remember a course in 2006 (seems to be within these 3 years), don't know the number right now, where 50% of the camouflaged didn't made it in the sim (of the academy).... the plight continued in the sim and in live traffic.
so, just to abandon the field, you're much more "deeper" in there
Well this has been a very interesting read. Here I am with my own little thread over yonder how-do-i-get-europe looking to find a good way for an experienced controller to find work on the other side of the world and I find unhappiness and confusion. Sounds like everywhere.
Nevertheless, I will not be deterred and make best of what is put before me.
Who is worth contacting directly to start chatting about possibilities in France, Germany, Switzerland etc?
Perhaps this thread is dead, but I'll add my 2 cents worth. approx 1 euro cent.
negotiated with DFS for about 3 months, they re'nigged on one or two things after all was signed and sealed and they also wouldn't budge on slotting me into a x number of years equivalent pay scale after validation, and they did pay the trainee wage while training etc etc BUT...and this is a very big but,
they made up all sorts of "allowances" to boost the salary to an "attractive" amount. Now I don't know where the OP (tesox) comes from, I guess its either the US or Australia, but if its the latter, then I know that what the DFS would have offered him to move and train on (let alone) rate on, would have been far in excess of what he earned as the top paid, top seniority ATCO in the land of Down Under. In addition to this, the taxes in Germany are considerably less (that's right I said it) less than Oz.
The cost of schooling would have played a large roll in considering finances as he said 27k euro/year for 2 kids. THis would take his net yearly earnings down to about the same as his oz income from atc.
The initial move and first year does cost a LOT, but if you are willing/wanting to move to europe, then this is the cost, a few thousand bucks to get set up, and a hell of a time training on some scary busy shit.
How does it compare to the UAE? I hear after rent in the UAE you net around 8K euro. This is not substantially better than the pay in DFS and we should all agree where the "happier" place to live would be.
Hope this sheds some light.
Regards,
allrounder99
Last edited by allrounder99 : 15th August 2009 at 10:39.
If you want to start a thread comparing various international options, then it would probably be well received. This thread is about DFS, and I would be interested to hear from people who made the decision to go ahead with them.
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