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I would
It's been a one way street since it started and all it's acheived is helping management get their bonuses, at the expense of the workers who do all the graft for no similar reward.
About time we stopped pulling them out the mire time after time and now let them sink due to their own incompetence and lack of skills.
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Let's not get too excited (much as I want to), but the result of the pay ballot isn't due til this Friday or possibly even Monday. We'll look a bit stupid ranting about pulling the 'Working Together' agreement if a majority of sheep vote Yes.
I doubt the RB will be bothered too much. They have achieved their objective of lowering employees expectations. Job done.
Prospect ?? Too little too late.
I'm sure managment are not going to lose any sleep over this, it was obvious that it was only working one way from the start, they will just carry on doing what what they started, just a bit more huff and puff from the union. And if NSL thinkl that NERL are going to take any firm action on their behalf then forget it now, a few letters of support is what you'll get
It's a start, but long overdue - people have been saying for ages that 'Working Together' was all one way.
Bear in mind this has come from the union that recommended acceptance of the pay deal whilst the company bleated poverty and forked out a multi million pound dividend.
Management will not lose any sleep over this whatsoever, the real test (of the union) will come if its membership ever votes 'No' to a management proposal.
As an aside, does anyone know of any other unions that can represent us? Can new unions be started for this purpose??
If you want to get a new union involved, first you would have to get Prospect derecognised (if such a word exists) - see my post of 30 March: UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
Then you would have to go through the reverse process to get another union recognised. This might be a tedious exercise without management cooperation - they might see divide and rule as a good option. Remember that in the interregnum, there won't be anyrecognised union (for what that's worth).
Well i seem to have touched a nerve Jonny B , iam only saying things as i see them having been in the company for over 25 years, lets not kid ourselves that we are all together, i did not mean that NERL will shaft NSL , only that if terms and conditions are changed in NSL only, why to you assume action will be taken, so the SDC said, well i've heard plenty from the union. lets think back now at what point did the union tell the membership that the final salary scheme was only was only for those in the company at the time of ppp mmmmm. i seem to remember them saying only an act of parliament can change it. also i was reminded the other day by an ATSA of a few years back, when PROSPECT did a deal with MANAGMENT, over the SAMOS, and PCS has to threaten to take court action, and PCS were told by PROSPECT just a mis understanding, and when managment changed the redundancy terms 2 years ago, the union said dont worry there won't be many! i think ATSA readers might not agree now,
As much as Bob Crowe and the tube strikes annoy the public, and inconvienienced me last week, appart from the safety issues they walked out on (which I dissagreed with), trying to tie down the TFL drivers to a 5year paydeal based on whats going on now with the economy is ludicrous, I know we arent being offered a deal this long, but I would much rather him and his team negotiating for us.
Pleased that this Working Together bo**ocks is going though, seems to be all give from our side and take from mangement. Looking forward to seeing the yearly results end of this month.............once the paydeal ballot has closed, coincidence eh........
I don't think Paul Barron & Ian Mills will be particularly upset about the ATCO branch withdrawing from the Working Together Agreement.
They are not daft, I imagine they know exactly what savings they want to make in the Ops rooms and they will go about it in a methodical manner.
Unlike previous managements they are simply not scared of ATCOs; they will have walked around the Ops rooms and seen ATCOs dressed for the beach in their long shorts and flip flops.
"they will have walked around the Ops rooms and seen ATCOs dressed for the beach in their long shorts and flip flops".
And your point is........?
Most EUR Region operational ATC staff do not wear suits.
What matters here is the quality of the service provided.
In the UK FIRs, it's first class.
As for "long shorts and flip flops"....have you considered the fact that most ATCOs couldn't give a **** what Management think when it comes to dress code? There isn't one. Full stop. End of.
I will however go out of my way, particularly in summer, to make myself look as scruffy as is humanly possible when I go to CTC because I know it pisses them all off... "Look at the scruffy ATCO, what a disgrace"...yeah, get ****ed office monkey.
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