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Old 26th June 2009, 12:09   #81 (permalink)
 
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I've just seen the profits posted by nats for this year
I see working together has done the company proud.
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Old 26th June 2009, 12:13   #82 (permalink)
 
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Angry Soaring profits

Air Traffic Business Posts Year-End Results - NATS


NATS, the UK’s leading air navigation service provider, has reported a strong set of financial results for the year ended 31 March 2009. The group also maintained its safety record, provided customers with good operational service and continued to deliver on its critical investment projects.
NATS is focused on reducing its operating cost base in its en route business - from levels previously planned - by £45m in the next two years.( there goes our Terms and Conditions) This will ensure that the charges for its economically regulated services for the period 2011 to 2015 are held as low as possible.



NATS Group profit before tax (£) wait for it........................



£135.5 Million

Now, where are all those monkeys that voted yes?


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Old 26th June 2009, 12:31   #83 (permalink)
 
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Devil

I think the majority of the yes voters will be hiding in their offices or in the operational enviroment pretending they voted no!

Either way Barron wins yet again!

So how many sick days do I need to make myself feel better???
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Old 26th June 2009, 21:12   #84 (permalink)
 
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Or they've still not twigged even now.
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Old 27th June 2009, 01:01   #85 (permalink)
 
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Working Together Meeting Scheduled

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Prospect ATCO Branch have accepted a NATS invitation to attend discussions on Working Together with Senior Management of both Airports and Enroute
on 7th July

Will prospect give NATS a big F**k You! or bend over and take it up the proverbial
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Old 27th June 2009, 09:46   #86 (permalink)
 
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F***ing great.They are so piss weak it makes want to throw up. I notice there was nothing on the poxy website about the fact that they saddled us with a 2% payrise whilst Mr & Mrs PB earnt in excess of £1million last year.
W***kers.
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Old 27th June 2009, 21:49   #87 (permalink)
 
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That's 2% over TWO Years - bloody hell.
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Old 4th July 2009, 00:36   #88 (permalink)
 
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C'mon guys what were you expecting?

They were keen to lock you into a 2 year deal BEFORE the results came out. What % increase did they grant themselves?
How much did Mrs Barron earn? Board acts in the interests of themselves - clear conflict of interest.
They moved away from using RPI - it suited them in the past but this year - no.
So how did you get into this position?
Quite a few of your union reps end up becoming managers
Company has professional negotiators, you have part time volunteers.
Accurate financial information wasn't shared with the union - ie you were lied to.

Unfortunately you've just been royally shafted - with a handful of sand for lube. Bloody gutted for all my ATCO friends.
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Old 5th July 2009, 23:34   #89 (permalink)
 
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privatesandwiches

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You work in an office, we dont.
You have office wear, we dont.
You have meetings to attend, we dont.
You are a clone, erm.... some of us aren't.
Errrr.

My office is where my desk is, correct me if I am wrong but ATCOs work in an open plan office. That must be awful.

I can wear what I want. I choose to dress like an adult, how do you choose to dress?

The other morning I was walking down the corridor and there was 2 ATCOs in their flippy-floppy uniforms and it suddenly struck me who they reminded me of

Yes TC has now been renamed CT


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Old 6th July 2009, 09:30   #90 (permalink)
 
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What a load of puerile nonsense!
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Old 6th July 2009, 14:13   #91 (permalink)
 
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office monkey 1;
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The other morning I was walking down the corridor and there was 2 ATCOs in their flippy-floppy uniforms and it suddenly struck me who they reminded me of

Yes TC has now been renamed CT
Brush shoulders with the stars.
Where strangers take you by the hand,
And welcome you to wonderland -
From beneath their panamas..

some of the first verse from your link.
stars - TC staff
wonderland - TC
k-m-t.
YouTube - Monkey Office Party
this reminded ME of what many an office looks like around the swanwick area.
replace the "sales graph" with an aman related chart.
ignorance is bliss.
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Old 6th July 2009, 14:13   #92 (permalink)
 
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Frank,

That looks delightful, where do we sign up?

I think comparing an ops room to an open plan office is clutching at straws. Dress how you want, I couldnt give a shit. Its others who seem to have the issue with what ATCO's and ATSA's wear. The more people grumble and moan, the more the knee jerk reaction to dress like that there will be.

Tell you what, when the mickey mouse crap we have to work with that some office monkey has got a bonus to shoehorn in such as AMAN works..... I will wear a shirt, tie, trousers and shoes.

Simples!
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Old 6th July 2009, 14:54   #93 (permalink)
 
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ATCOs work in an open plan office
No - they work in an Operations Room. I guess that makes them operators. (Certainly some seem to to think like operators)
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Old 6th July 2009, 15:48   #94 (permalink)
 
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Pelton Level,
Surely you mean 'smooth operators'.
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Old 6th July 2009, 16:00   #95 (permalink)
 
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Errrr.

My office is where my desk is, correct me if I am wrong but ATCOs work in an open plan office. That must be awful.

I can wear what I want. I choose to dress like an adult, how do you choose to dress?

The other morning I was walking down the corridor and there was 2 ATCOs in their flippy-floppy uniforms and it suddenly struck me who they reminded me of

Yes TC has now been renamed CT
I have no problem whatsoever with being compared to WHAM!...in fact they were my childhood heroes. I've always had a soft spot for George Michael since I saw them live at Wembley in '86, although I always thought Andrew Ridgely was a waste of space. Whilst Club Tropicana was indeed a great song, I much preferred their later works, particularly the "Make it Big" LP.

So if you were trying to upset me with your latest "Careless Whisper"...sorry...FAIL.

BTW, when am I getting my explanation as to what "long shorts" are, or do you think I'd forgotten??
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Old 6th July 2009, 16:33   #96 (permalink)
 
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mr. 777,
while never being a fan of WHAM!, one of the lines in 'Club Tropicana' has always intrigued me.
In the chorus, George Michael states repeatedly that, "Club Tropicana, drinks are free".
Now, most people know that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Check out the excellent song "Sweet Nothing' by Working Week, (1985). - it knocks Wham into a 'cocked hat', (remember those, )
So, who the hell picked up the tab for the drinks?
My theory, (which is mine and what it is too), is that it was the Musician's Union, 'working together' with management!
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Old 6th July 2009, 18:34   #97 (permalink)
 
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Unfortunately, the only time the drinks are free at CT Swanwick is when the vending machine is broken or somebody retires.
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Old 6th July 2009, 21:00   #98 (permalink)
 
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Back to the Thread

Am I correct in thinking there is a Union/Management meeting tomorrow to discuss 'Working Together' and the recent Prospect statement of intent to withdraw?

How long do you think it will be before the union capitulates on its talk of withdrawing support for 'Working Together'?

Weeks, Days, lunchtime tomorrow???

Do you think the Union will get our 'Freedom' or do you think our head bod will tell management 'I'm Your Man'? Maybe it's time for the 'Young Guns' to take over negotiations.

Sorry, Wham drift again at the end there...
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Old 6th July 2009, 21:11   #99 (permalink)
 
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What a load of puerile nonsense!
I think you’re being a little harsh on Wham!


privatesandwiches
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I think comparing an ops room to an open plan office is clutching at straws.
Really?


Do you not work at desks…….do you not use paper & pens…………. do you not have telephones & computers to hand?


From wiktionary.org
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office - A building or room where clerical or professional duties are performed.
The Ops room may be a specialised office but it is still an office. An open plan one to boot


privatesandwiches
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Its others who seem to have the issue with what ATCO's and ATSA's wear. The more people grumble and moan,
I haven’t heard anyone grumble of moan about what ATCOs wear; I have heard a little laughter though.

I wonder what Lord Adonis thought of CT?


mr.777

Your Wham! confession and encyclopaedic knowledge of their works has left me speechless.
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Old 6th July 2009, 23:05   #100 (permalink)
 
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Frank Disclosure

ATCOs work at consoles not desks..use headsets more than phones..computers are not at hand just radars and voice comms.
If you have this equipment at your place of work then you must also be in an OPs room and not an office.

Operating theatres in hospitals have telephones and computers but I don't think they do surgery in an office do they??!!
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