privatesandwiches

Are you an engineer? If so I wouldnt count you as an office monkey

mr.777

Do I really need to explain? See above.

11K-AVML

Not wanting to get into an argument I just thought I'd make the point and be a bit defensive.
I realise you're only refering to managment types, but feeling defensive at the moment, just like to make it clear that I don't think anyone I know at the CTC really cares how scruffy you look, certainly not me, I think they're just surprised that's all. I've seen a few CTC based workers who appear more scruffy than any ATCO I've seen mind; they do look out of place - strangley they always seem to be union members!
There's a time and a place; if you have a meeting with external clients and you have to give a good impression, then there's obviously a need to look smart. An ATCO at the CTC for training, I don't think people really care.

Please don't think that the majority of workers at the CTC think the same way as upper management. There's internal politics that has to be played to get anywhere, but that's another thread...

BTW, I'm not an engineer; I get paid much less.
Ho hum, better decide how I'm going to vote.

mr.777

Point taken 11K. You pretty much summed up the aim of my post, meant only as a bit of fun anyway.

ImnotanERIC

I seem to remember one of the first truces or tvcs ran at ctc after the move to swanwick from WD and somebody mentioned to whoever was running the course that the standard of dress could be improved.
This is second hand information , but the source is reliable.

Frank Disclosure

mr.777
mr.777
Really?

You think comparing people who work in offices to monkeys can be classed as a bit of fun?

privatesandwiches

I've heard worse, at least as a monkey there is some salvation of the human form!!!

kats-I

Back to the pay deal..Pay peanuts and you get monkeys! (or elelphants)

Sorry..couldn't resist..it was meant light hearted before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon.

Radarspod

any chance we could get back on topic?? I really don't give a stuff about ATCOs being scruffy and am bored with persistent CTC bashing by people who don't understand (or don't want to understand) the business functions carried out there. Thanks.

Jonny B Good's post mentioned an ATSS BEC this week but the post has gone. I can't find the date elsewhere, does anyone else know? What would happen if one branch pulls out of Working Together but the other stays in - the letter to management was related to unilateral action by NATS affecting ATCO branch interests only. Does Prospect keep a united front as Prospect, or do the separate section representation make their own mind up? It would seem daft to do the latter if the vote goes the way I hope and we may actually need to stand up as one force. But then why wasn't the letter to management a joint letter from the two Prospect branches and PCS...

RS

Flybywyre

That would be akin to the end of the world
(and play straight into managements hands)
IMHO

mr.777

Do you think that ATCOs wearing "long shorts" (whatever they are) and "flip flops" has ANYTHING to do with Prospect puliing out of the working together agreement??

Frank Disclosure

mr.777

A diversionary question


If you re read my original post you’ll see I never said long shorts and flip flops had anything to do with the ATCOs withdrawing from the working together agreement.

My post doubted NATS’s senior management would be too concerned at this turn of events and the reference to beach wear being worn in the Ops room was made after the observation that unlike previous managements Paul Barron & Co. weren’t scared of ATCOs.

Now, back to your monkey comment; please explain how comparing a group of workers to monkeys can be considered a bit of fun.

mr.777

You are talking utter rubbish. I see you have downgraded it now from long shorts (still waiting for you to enlighten us as to what the difference is between them and shorts) and flip flops to "beachwear"...brilliant. I think you'll find you created the diversion by spouting this nonsense.

From Urban Dictionary...office monkey: "A person employed in an office". Thats it. No reference to animals...or did you think it was something i just made up off the top of my head? For the record, I have plenty of friends who work in offices and have absolutely no problem being referred to as office monkeys.

Mods, apologies for thread hijack, I believe he's got his answer now

Kaboodle

To get back to the thread topic. NATS management must be quaking in their boots, they have probably achieved all that they wanted to.

Time for a new union, take a look at this website, brilliant stuff.

www.crapunion.co.uk

eastern wiseguy

Kaboodle.........


Brilliant....the "Not Airway" for the noughties...

Standard Noise

Kaboodle - that's fantastic, best laugh I've had in years.
Surprised there isn't an ad in the 'Wanted' section for 16 revolving doors to be fitted to GM's offices.

anotherthing

SN

you should send in an email to with suggestions - the web owner might just add stuff - it certainly indicates that on the website...

Wonder what the subscription fees will be

mr.777

Outstanding job...whoever is responsible for that website gave everybody this morning a good laugh and brightnened up an otherwise boring Sunday morning....now, where do I sign up?

ayrprox

with regard to the withdrawing from working together,

'oh my god!, the horses have escaped...someone lock the d..'


oh, never mind you get the picture

tczulu

Prospects idea of withdrawing from "working together" is to hand back the tube of KY jelly-we will still be shafted but more painfully.