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Old 14th Jun 2012, 07:12   #1221 (permalink)


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You guys are drifting the topic.... I just wanted to thank bravo_victor07 for his detailed explanation of the test. It helped a lot..... Being a responsive person means take action and have a good planning. Looking into it is a good action..... Good Luck all.
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 20:49   #1222 (permalink)
 
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Smile dart

Hi there! When are you taking the exam? Congrats for passing phase 1 and best of luck for DART
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Old 15th Jun 2012, 00:44   #1223 (permalink)
 
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Thought I'd take a look through this thread since I've just been through the NATS process and was wondering how they compared.

With regards to FEAST I recall the test itself stating it was unsuitable for more than one attempt as it's designed with little preparation in mind, that did make me wonder about those who fail the process and reapply. There are a lot of other tests and procedures though at least with NATS so it's not the be all and end all.

Also, I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hostility going on here. What happened to those level-headed competencies people? ;]
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Old 15th Jun 2012, 09:17   #1224 (permalink)
 
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DART

could anyone pls tell me, in DART what is the minimum distance allowed between 2 aircraft in order for conflict to be avoided? what about collision? I would really appreciate it if somebody who has taken dart could clear this up for me!
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Old 17th Jun 2012, 14:57   #1225 (permalink)


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questions about DART

Hi everybody. Can someone answer few reasonable questions about DART? I have read that the priorities are:
1)Avoid conflicts;
2)Use less commands;
3)Pass checkpoints accurately
So my questions are: First of all I want to know if all applicants will have exactly the same scenarios. I don't think that someone must have only the right abilities to guide the aircrafts, sometimes luck helps. For example if you have many passive a/cs in your way and you cannot do anything to avoid them then you will have a conflict whatever you do.
Second I want to ask If our aircraft is not going to pass accurately through the checkpoint is it better to change the heading at last moment? If we don't pass accurately then we lose points,also if we give more commands we also get lower scores.So what is better to do? I have the same question about the order of the checkpoints.Sometimes the initial heading of the a/c will pass through a checkpoint with the wrong order and this will deduct points. Is it better to give command and change the heading? Also changing the altitude to avoid conflicts is important but If in our scenario is needed to do this many times then points will be deducted?I think the goal and rules of DART are fully explained but it's not clear how you lose points and what is the best to for getting high scores.
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Old 18th Sep 2012, 12:07   #1226 (permalink)
 
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feast I

Hi everybody sorry for my poor english.I will take feast 1 in my country.If anyone who participated to the feast I in the colsest time can s/he say what part of feast 1 include? And also is skytest useful for feast 1 ?
thank you..
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 20:17   #1227 (permalink)
 
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hi, does anyone know anything about the future of recruiting new student air traffic controllers?

on the website it is said, that there will be no testing and training in the next years. does anyone know something about when it is scheduled to start the selection procedure again?
i heard that the next course is scheduled for 2015

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Old 27th Sep 2012, 21:31   #1228 (permalink)
 
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for everyone who is interested in eurocontrol: eurocontrol is not training for at least 4 years. at the moment, it is planned to train new air traffic controllers in 2017.
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Old 7th Oct 2012, 14:52   #1229 (permalink)
 
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I had understood they didn't require fully trained ATCOs until 2017 (so training would begin 2014-2015)? This was the last news I had heard at the start of 2012 - is your information new Unreg?
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Old 8th Oct 2012, 10:35   #1230 (permalink)
 
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my information is 8 days old. look at the homepage, it is not possible to apply for the next years.

a friend who works in maastricht said, that eurocontrol has too many controllers at the moment, that is why trainees get money for quitting the training.

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Old 10th Oct 2012, 15:28   #1231 (permalink)
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Payment thing is not true.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 08:30   #1232 (permalink)
 
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are you sure? One of the persons that are responsible for the training told him that. But it could be also possible that he missunderstood him.
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Old 19th Oct 2012, 17:00   #1233 (permalink)
 
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grid test

Hi guys,

Just a quick question...

When doing the grid test... are the only two measurement values 10(node to node along vertices) and 14(diagnol).

Will we be expected to calculate the diagnol across 2 squares where the diagnol would be 22 ( basically 10^2 + 20^2 = X^2, where X is the diagnol )
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Old 21st Oct 2012, 15:54   #1234 (permalink)


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Hi everyone. I have a little question and i'd really appreciate any sort of help. Is the DART on feast2 structured exactly as if you choose the 'Run all consecutively' scenario on the preparation program? I mean checkpoint, number of planes in each level and etc?? Thanks in advance
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Old 8th Nov 2012, 09:53   #1235 (permalink)


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Stage 1, Timing?

Hello everyone,
I just found that forum and I wen trough most of the comments.
Thank you, in advance.
Since I am going soon to the stage one of the feast test I would like to ask people who already passed it if the can share some light on the issue with the timing especially on the coordinate system?What is the time limit there per question?I went trough wikipedia link of the test and I saw the limit for the spatial orientation but there is nothing about the coordinate system.If you can add something in addition to the English part as what it might contain further than the explanation on wiki.
I apologize if someone wrote about the time and the English but I went through most of the comments and I did not find it.And finally of the people who recently went trough stage one did any of you had to do the strip test? Or it is already replaced by the DART?
Thank you very much
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 09:05   #1236 (permalink)


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The time issue

Hello Everyone,
I am new in he forum and I went trough most of the comments but I did not see anywhere the timing of stage one of the Feast test.I saw the link that you are referring to on wiki and there is information only about the cubes part.I would like to know for the coordinate system what is the time that you need to complete the task. Could you please tell me if the strip test are removed as it is said on wiki and it is replaced from the DART.If you can share some light on the English part as in terms of content? How long is the the whole feast 1 ?
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 05:22   #1237 (permalink)
 
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feast I

Hello! I cannot tell you much about the time you have for each test since I do not remember. Feast I takes approx 2 hours to complete. Indeed the strip test is replaced with DART. Now for the English test. You listen to a conversation between 2 people and then required to answer some questions. You will hear dates, numbers, prices, locations, you need to be very concentrated and obviously have a good memory. Then, you hear a sentence, at some point a biiip and then you choose the correct word or phrase that completes this sentence. Again, a sentence and you choose the word that means the same or the opposite word with the word that is highlighted. There's also the reading part. You read a passage, you can go back and read it again if you want, but as soon as you proceed with the questions part, you are not allowed to go back. Generally the English test is demanding and a bit confusing, but you should not worry about time cause you have plenty of it!
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 08:58   #1238 (permalink)


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Thank you,
It seems concentration is everything.
It might be a repetitive question but is there any chance the DART test to be on feast 1 or it is always on the second stage? And what is usually the time distance between the two stages?
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Old 22nd Jan 2013, 18:18   #1239 (permalink)


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In doubt

I passed feast 1 and the second test as well.

No math tasks yet so I am alright, but suddenly it hits me: should I even continue this when I know I suck at math?

Surely there will be some heavy math during the education? I don't want to waste my own time or the company's time.
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Old 24th Jan 2013, 08:07   #1240 (permalink)
 
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That all depends on whether you are talking about mental arithmetics or full-blown maths.

The first, you will have to be able to do a lot, do it quickly and fairly accurately. The second, you won't need very much.
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