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Old 11th Nov 2009, 19:36   #181 (permalink)
 
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contingency plan

BHD did non radar procedures applied that day or they dont use that anymore

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Old 11th Nov 2009, 20:38   #182 (permalink)
 
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No and i wouldnt lie
we dont have one
traffic has turned from drip by drip over a sudden turned into a shower in very few years
and the guys in office have failed to keep up
we dont have a back up and thats the truth
simple and blunt
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Old 11th Nov 2009, 20:42   #183 (permalink)
 
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verci we need people you to be here in Muscat to build and help have a proprer brick system

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Old 12th Nov 2009, 13:33   #184 (permalink)
 
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Oman is a beautiful country and the locals are the most freindly and socialble in the ME.

Up the contract prices and bring in the right people in the right "leadership" roles, re-write the book and establish new standards of excellence which will make you the envy of your neigbours, , the other ANS providers (GCAA, Serco) seem to be setting low standards and then still failing to achieve them.
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 14:02   #185 (permalink)
 
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Fully agree Oman is both beautiful and locals are the best in the GCC.

BHD
Well, I'm focused on Muscat because I live here.

I'm concerned because I fly a lot and don't like the idea of such incidents being covered up or not investigated properly to protect a screw up by one or more well connected individuals.

But from your defensive utterances pointing at other places in the world, and attacking the messenger, I'd guess that you are personally involved in the incident.

I'd rather we just focused on getting Muscat ATC as good as we can get it, preferably until its as good as anywhere in the world and still 100% staffed by Omani professionals.

Those would be professionals who actually want to find out what can be improved and then doing something about it.

But I am glad your attitude of 's**t happens so lets not talk about it' is not shared by the people ultimately responsible for Muscat ATC.
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 15:49   #186 (permalink)
 
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U.C.D i personaly dont really give a toss of what you think,
me being envolved or not in what happend is my problem and you dont need to know anything and as you can see,your questions and suspense query have jsut echoed back at you.whats wrong with pointing at fine examples of such things happening all around the world,why cant you dig that "any system cant be 100% perfect"
now regarding you flying in and out of Muscat,you have two choices
1.dont fly
2.be a pro and pick up a pen and a paper and right your thoughts to DGMAN,instead of beating in the bush
now you can go back to your sad fourm and wait for someone to knock


p.s:i tell you what looking at the way you think,i really would be worried flying in a plane with you on the wheels
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 17:13   #187 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for confirming that Black Hawk.

I'm sure we're all safer with people like you in Muscat ATC. Go team.

And don't worry, I know DGCAM is getting more in the picture every day...

You should not hesitate to give him your explanation of the event though, being a professional and all. It's a lot less work for everybody I suppose if he buys your POV that 'hey, s**t happens'.
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Old 15th Nov 2009, 18:39   #188 (permalink)
 
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your wellcome UCD
and oh yes,people are safe in Muscat airspace,coz we are d***n good
and after all those years in ATC,the last thing i need is an opinion from someone like you.
it seems you became a fan of my phrase((s**t happens)) coz all ATC units around the world live with that everyday
skies has a limit and it never increase in size,and more and more metal is launched into the sky everyday
but we handle them and we do that very well
i have a tip for you,go visit muscat ACC at 12am,and dont forget to put your pampers on
i rest my case
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 17:23   #189 (permalink)
 
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BHD - best idea you have had for a long time is to rest your case..
Your way of attacking other (worried) profs is not a prof controller worthy.
Face it - safety is here to stay and no one should ever cover anything up. Safety issues are to be discussed openly for others to learn...
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Old 23rd Nov 2009, 17:47   #190 (permalink)
 
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Visas

Can anyone confirm the latest rumour that the first Visas, for the new expat intake, have arrived at the Muscat ACC?

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Old 23rd Nov 2009, 22:47   #191 (permalink)
 
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VISAS

its confirmed,,just dont know how many.......
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Old 24th Nov 2009, 05:34   #192 (permalink)
 
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Any idea when their paperwork was received in Muscat?
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Old 25th Nov 2009, 06:04   #193 (permalink)
 
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Visa

Is it just a rumour or have applicants been contacted?
I have been waiting since August, now.
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Old 25th Nov 2009, 06:12   #194 (permalink)
 
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Heard this first-hand from someone who left Muscat recently. Apparently an Aussie and someone from Europe.

What I would like to know is when the Job Offers and initial paperwork arrived in Muscat, thereby calculating a waiting period.
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Old 25th Nov 2009, 08:40   #195 (permalink)
 
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Late 1976

Que sera sera I think.

Like it was said in a previous post, it can be as quick as 3 months or as long as a year to get clearances depending on various factors. I can't imagine that it will be the same time-frame for everyone.

Just have to sit and wait.......
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Old 1st Dec 2009, 00:55   #196 (permalink)
 
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......awful quiet here.

BHD...

Still waiting on the headset models numbers. LOL!!!

See you soon I hope.
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Old 1st Dec 2009, 18:21   #197 (permalink)
 
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lets hope that in those coming days news will flow
as its usual here in Muscat,the very end of the year is the time when news start pumping out,due to approvals for finance from the ministry....etc
so lets keep our fingers crossed
the latest i heard is that 5 visa have came out,but for who i dont know yet?
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Old 6th Dec 2009, 17:28   #198 (permalink)
 
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yep its quiet here
So i guess there wont be (jebal ali) airport for a while?
less traffic is good traffic
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Old 7th Dec 2009, 04:44   #199 (permalink)
 
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Maybe it will give you time to catch up with the traffic that you already have!!
Do you think that the Muscat flow situation will improve when you get some more controllers or now that it is in place is it here to stay? If it is here to stay it needs some improvement as at night we Tardi delays regularly exceed an hour.
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Old 7th Dec 2009, 06:03   #200 (permalink)
 
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There is very little chance that Muscat is going to catch up with the traffic situation in the near future. The new staff will have no impact for the surrounding FIR's as there are no additional Sectors or frequencies available to reduce the workload. There is always plenty of talk about all sorts of improvements that are "on the way" but the reality is nothing is going to happen any time soon. The flow restrictions that are in place are a very crude attempt to slow down the number of aircraft entering the Muscat FIR. This places an unfair workload on the UAE towers and the Area Sectors. Although a more even distribution of delays across the whole region would be a better solution, there is no method available to achieve this. What you need to understand is that the flow restrictions are in place for the safety of the controllers at the coalface and the flying public. A recent audit stated that the Central Sector should not exceed 12 aircraft at a time due to the airspace size and complexity. The traffic still exceeds 25 regularly even with the flow restrictions.

The Middle East Region is in desperate need of adopting a similar model to Eurocontrols 'Single European Sky'. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen in either your or my lifetime.
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