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Old 18th Jul 2017, 12:28   #3621 (permalink)


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Thank you for the responses, and my commiserations to those who have found themselves in a similar situation. I have today received a response from Air Services advising that they have undergone a significant change in program resulting in a reduction in the number of spots for the ATC traineeship program hence the reassessment against their key selection criteria - which they refer to as a 're-calibration process'. They are otherwise not in a position to provide any individual feedback in regards to which aspect of my assessments to date resulted in my 're-calibrated' results making my application now unsuccessful. They have 'understood' my disappointment, thanked me for my understanding and patience ,and strongly encouraged me to apply in the near future, with the next intake anticipated in late 2017.

I agree with previous posters that I have no issue with Air Services setting or raising the bar, but it is how they handled the issue in these circumstances where they had previously advised applicants that they had advanced in the recruitment process, to do an about face some 10 months later, due to their own internal operational issues (and arguably poor management).

I agree with LFVA's views that is is in bad taste, and reflects poorly on a prospective employer to treat people as discardable and replaceable in the circumstances that they have.

Overall though, I am happy to have received this insight into the organisation at this stage, rather than progressing to a traineeship or further and then discovering their standards and operating procedures.

Thank you again to all that have contributed to this thread, and also provided recent insight and commiserations in regards to be treated in a similar manner.

From a personal perspective I don't anticipate reapplying or otherwise pursuing any form of employment with Air Services in the foreseeable future.
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 17:32   #3622 (permalink)
 
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50_50 You can take heart from the words "strongly encourage". That can be code for we think you have potential to make it next time around if you apply again.

But be careful of your choice of words. Your potential fit with the organisation's culture is also a consideration in the selection process. Bagging an organisation and displaying bitterness before they even hire you is a good way to shut the gate on yourself.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 05:28   #3623 (permalink)
 
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Hi everyone,

Sorry to steer away from the topic but are there any air traffic controllers that are currently working in Tower and can provide some information on the work roster and postings after the course? I understand there is information earlier in this thread but I suspect it may be out of date.

In particular, once you finish the course how likely would you be to get a tower basing in your own state? Also, with respect to roster, is it typically something like two mornings, two afternoons, two night followed by 2-3 days off? This seems to be a trend i'm seing for enroute.

Any feedback would be appreciated, I don't have any contacts in the industry.

Thank!
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 06:40   #3624 (permalink)
 
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Interesting, there was another post that has been deleted. It mentioned how the reduced number of trainees will result in a better 1 on 1 training ratio and hence, possibly, a better pass rate. Also indicated that it is a career for life and how 2 years for a recruitment process was a "drop in the bucket".
Perhaps, but it has already been just about 2 years, wait another 6 months for them to re-advertise, minimum 6 -12 months recruitment process and then an indeterminate wait we are talking a 4 year process to even start a course, then another 18-21 months before you "possibly" gain a license.
I'm 35 now, they won't even want me by the time that process is over. In the time I have spent waiting on their merit list I could have achieved a diploma in any other discipline. I'm ok with not meeting the standard but time is valuable to me. Money I can make, but I can't get back the wasted time.
It would seem I am not the only one that has been given the good news, and I genuinely feel for all of you. But I agree with at least one other poster, I will not be applying for any position with Airservices in the future.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 11:28   #3625 (permalink)
 
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I agree it's a crappy way to treat applicants. Unfortunately for you, applicants aren't in short supply.

The problem is that the number of courses being run each year has been reduced considerably so assuming they kept the larger pool of trainees in the queue many of you would be waiting several more years for a course anyway.

With respect to age, there is no discrimination - you're judged against a standard which you either meet or don't. That said age is a disadvantage simply because the older you are the harder it is to keep up with the pace of the training.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 19:27   #3626 (permalink)


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Late 2017

Hi all

A very useful thread, many thanks. I understand that recruitment and training has slowed considerably with a few posts above indicating a 'late 2017' intake.

Does this proposed timeline pertain to the next training intake or the opening of recruitment to applications? I understand it is a lengthy process from there.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 29th Jul 2017, 01:41   #3627 (permalink)
 
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Hi CTO,

I'm going to say applications in late 2017 since there hasn't been an application period since the beginning of last year. That's just my thought, but based on current circumstances I really don't have much idea.

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Old 29th Jul 2017, 03:07   #3628 (permalink)


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Hi Forrest

Thanks for your thoughts, it's exactly what I was thinking but figured I'd ask the question.

I'll just keep a regular eye on the website and see what happens.

Thanks again

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Old 11th Aug 2017, 03:22   #3629 (permalink)
 
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Air Traffic Controller Career Help

Hey guys,

I've spent the past 15 years in various areas of aviation and am really interested in Air Traffic Control. I'd really like to find out a lot more about it (other than what's on the forums and AsA website) but unfortunately I don't know any ATCs.

Is there anyone that would be kind enough to answer a couple of quick questions I have via email? Just things to do with the job details, rosters and career pathways.

Thanks, any help whatsoever would be really appreciative!

Scott.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 08:28   #3630 (permalink)
 
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I hear that during 2018 there will be just 8 ab-initio Tower trainees. That's 8 total, not 8 courses.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 13:43   #3631 (permalink)
 
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Ouch! That's going to do wonders for numbers
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 21:57   #3632 (permalink)
 
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WOW. Do you know if those are newly selected trainees or ones that have already passed application and are waiting for a course?
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 09:04   #3633 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:10   #3634 (permalink)
 
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 22:36   #3635 (permalink)
 
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How are you all? It has been looking a bit quiet on the forum. Has anybody put an application through yet?
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:48   #3637 (permalink)


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Hey Guys, I have recently applied for trainee ATC on 12th Nov. Anybody else put an application through? I haven't gone through the previous threads, do we know approx how long does it take Airservices to go to the next step in recruitment?
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 01:17   #3638 (permalink)


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Hello everyone. I've recently applied for the position for the first time also and would assume that it would be a while between each part of the process (up to a month). Good luck to everyone else who applied!
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 02:17   #3639 (permalink)
 
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Hey Guys, I have recently applied for trainee ATC on 12th Nov. Anybody else put an application through? I haven't gone through the previous threads, do we know approx how long does it take Airservices to go to the next step in recruitment?
Iíve applied too, I think the usual wait is 1-2 weeks for the aptitude tests but depending on what HR are doing we could expect delays to ensure the parts of the process that arenít web based will occur after the Christmas period.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 01:44   #3640 (permalink)


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Iíve applied too, I think the usual wait is 1-2 weeks for the aptitude tests but depending on what HR are doing we could expect delays to ensure the parts of the process that arenít web based will occur after the Christmas period.
Yes Good Luck to everyone who has applied. Do let us know how you all progress.
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