Airservices Australia Psychometric Testing
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We have another course starting Monday then the next on Oct 5th. I wouldn't be surprised if another course starts before the end of the year or the start of next year. I think they originally said to us there would be 3 more courses this year. Good luck everybody.
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level playing field
When you play the pokies you know that you're unlikely to come out ahead. The odds might be a million to one. But you decide to play, or not, on that basis.
Well, that might have been the case when pokies were just 3 barrel mechanical devices, but not now. Now machines can be programmed to do anything, even under, or maybe without the knowledge of, government control.
They can be programmed to pay out certain amounts per venue, per day, per person, etc. Likewise they can be programmed to not pay out if the day's limit has been reached, or if the current player has already won, or the player is a slow player, etc.
So, when Air Services Australia gives psychometric testing via computer consoles, how do we know if it's a level playing field? Could the machines be pre-programmed, or auto/self-programmed, to favor, or fail, individual candidates? Maybe there's there an operator peeking through a hole in the wall who flicks a switch to make a specific console triple-difficult so as to fail the candidate who is short/old/young/fat/unwashed/Victorian?
Do we really believe that computers can blindly assess which candidates are suitable to pass to the next testing level? Will this technology be discredited either because it doesn't work, or because it's rife for manipulation?
Or am I just a sour-grapes tertiary educated pilot who failed the test?
Well, that might have been the case when pokies were just 3 barrel mechanical devices, but not now. Now machines can be programmed to do anything, even under, or maybe without the knowledge of, government control.
They can be programmed to pay out certain amounts per venue, per day, per person, etc. Likewise they can be programmed to not pay out if the day's limit has been reached, or if the current player has already won, or the player is a slow player, etc.
So, when Air Services Australia gives psychometric testing via computer consoles, how do we know if it's a level playing field? Could the machines be pre-programmed, or auto/self-programmed, to favor, or fail, individual candidates? Maybe there's there an operator peeking through a hole in the wall who flicks a switch to make a specific console triple-difficult so as to fail the candidate who is short/old/young/fat/unwashed/Victorian?
Do we really believe that computers can blindly assess which candidates are suitable to pass to the next testing level? Will this technology be discredited either because it doesn't work, or because it's rife for manipulation?
Or am I just a sour-grapes tertiary educated pilot who failed the test?
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Hey folks, just wanted to say hi. I was at the testing in Perth earlier this week, Tuesday in fact - hello to anyone else who was there who might be reading this - and I have to admit I'm nervous as hell waiting on the outcome! Feeling pretty confident of course, but still...
I've only got a very rough idea of what happens in the rest of the selection process if I make it through, but I'm confident that if I did a good enough job on Tuesday to warrant an interview or whatever happens to be next, I'll get in.
Anyone wanna be my friend for life and give me an idea of what to expect?
Anyway, good luck to anybody else applying for ATC training. Ever noticed that the best jobs have the longest selection processes?
I've only got a very rough idea of what happens in the rest of the selection process if I make it through, but I'm confident that if I did a good enough job on Tuesday to warrant an interview or whatever happens to be next, I'll get in.
Anyone wanna be my friend for life and give me an idea of what to expect?
Anyway, good luck to anybody else applying for ATC training. Ever noticed that the best jobs have the longest selection processes?
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Domdaniel...
Every thing you need to know for the process ahead of you is in this thread!! It helped me :-)
If you passed the testing, the next thing is the telephone interview.. really brief & basic. Why do you want to be ATC, What do you know about AsA etc.
Than comes the Panel Behavioural Interview.. read back through this thread, it will help!!
Good luck!
Every thing you need to know for the process ahead of you is in this thread!! It helped me :-)
If you passed the testing, the next thing is the telephone interview.. really brief & basic. Why do you want to be ATC, What do you know about AsA etc.
Than comes the Panel Behavioural Interview.. read back through this thread, it will help!!
Good luck!
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oldishfart, if your age is correct then you might have had a stumbling block. I'm pretty sure mandatory retirement age for active atc's is 55. At 57 this doesn't leave you many working years to be trained for.
Domdaniel, I wouldn't get overconfident. Many highly intelligent people have passed the psychometric but have been knocked out in the interview. Best thing you can do is try your best and be as well prepared as possible.
Domdaniel, I wouldn't get overconfident. Many highly intelligent people have passed the psychometric but have been knocked out in the interview. Best thing you can do is try your best and be as well prepared as possible.
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jr...,
You obviously know nil about A.T.C. with regard to working after 55. There is no mandatory retirement age, it is against the law . In fact I know many over 55 still working approach,a couple over 60 . So, before you offer advice to some poor b...tard ,check your facts before bursting into print.
You obviously know nil about A.T.C. with regard to working after 55. There is no mandatory retirement age, it is against the law . In fact I know many over 55 still working approach,a couple over 60 . So, before you offer advice to some poor b...tard ,check your facts before bursting into print.
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hey lepsep obviously at 16 you know everything to do with ATC, jrbridge point is that NORMALLY for ATC there is a mandatory retirement at 55 due to not being able to keep up with the CASA medical requirements and the various stresses that being an ATC bring, it is a FACT that ATC have shorter life spans, if you check the FACTS it takes 3-5 years to become a full performance controller, but yes there are exceptions where people over 55 can meet those requiresments required by LAW and ASA (usually people who have been in the job 20+ years not 1 month and these are people that know their stuff), being an ATC is no ordinary job, its not like working at bunnings, if you aint got the right stuff you aint' got it, sorry for bursting into print, and i'm sure the older gentleman you refer to is not a poor bastard.
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Correct, there is no requirtement for anyone to stop controlling in OZ at any age. As long as you pass your annual proficiency check and 2 yearly medical you can keep on truckin. What may confuse the matter is the ABILITY for ATC to retire at 50 but many do not.
I would run with that if I were you. Much easier than making a tin foil hat.
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Or am I just a sour-grapes tertiary educated pilot who failed the test?
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Wow. Things are getting heated on the ATC forums. Lets keep it friendly boys. I can see where everyone is coming from, it is hard to get a medical. I'm 20 and healthy and its taken me a year to get my class 2! Bureaucrats 
Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew how long it usually takes to hear back from ATC after the testing. I did mine on friday. Also if you do progress is the next stage an phone interview?
Thanks for the advice Gemmy, I tried to keep my cool at the day, it was long and very intense, but getting stressed really wouldn't have helped. Besides, if I'm not suited for the job do I really want to have the responsibility of such a stressful and demanding job? Thats my new outlook on this whole process.
Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew how long it usually takes to hear back from ATC after the testing. I did mine on friday. Also if you do progress is the next stage an phone interview?
Thanks for the advice Gemmy, I tried to keep my cool at the day, it was long and very intense, but getting stressed really wouldn't have helped. Besides, if I'm not suited for the job do I really want to have the responsibility of such a stressful and demanding job? Thats my new outlook on this whole process.
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Great outlook pilotprincess !!
Hmm yes, for the other guys in this forum taking stabs at each other for not knowing the correct information, you would think mature adults would go about correcting someone a little better than that hey?? C'mon guys, it's not a contest in this forum to see who knows more info than the other!!
OK, so I sat my testing on Feb 12th, got an email 5 days later to say I had progressed to the telephone interview. Had my telephone interview in late Feb & recieved an email on March 25th to say I ha passed the telephone interview & made it to the panel interview. Which was in the 2nd week of May.
I found out on the 6th June that I had successfully passed the interview & had made it to the order of merit list.
They expect to contact my referees either late this year or early in 2010, there are no course dates set for 2010 yet, however they do expect the first course to be around March.!
Good luck with the remainder of your testing, I'd say the course you are expecting to get on will be in later half of 2010. But that's just my opinion ;-)
All the best!!
Hmm yes, for the other guys in this forum taking stabs at each other for not knowing the correct information, you would think mature adults would go about correcting someone a little better than that hey?? C'mon guys, it's not a contest in this forum to see who knows more info than the other!!
OK, so I sat my testing on Feb 12th, got an email 5 days later to say I had progressed to the telephone interview. Had my telephone interview in late Feb & recieved an email on March 25th to say I ha passed the telephone interview & made it to the panel interview. Which was in the 2nd week of May.
I found out on the 6th June that I had successfully passed the interview & had made it to the order of merit list.
They expect to contact my referees either late this year or early in 2010, there are no course dates set for 2010 yet, however they do expect the first course to be around March.!
Good luck with the remainder of your testing, I'd say the course you are expecting to get on will be in later half of 2010. But that's just my opinion ;-)
All the best!!
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ha ha.. no worries with you JrBridge.... You were only writing what you thought was correct....
Just some people went about correcting you in a manner which isn't really expected/apprecaited. We're all adults in this forum (I think) & therefore should speak each other as such.... :-)..
Now... back to the topic of the thread...
Good Luck to all of those currently going through the testing.. & JrBridge, I hope you are going well at the College !
Just some people went about correcting you in a manner which isn't really expected/apprecaited. We're all adults in this forum (I think) & therefore should speak each other as such.... :-)..
Now... back to the topic of the thread...
Good Luck to all of those currently going through the testing.. & JrBridge, I hope you are going well at the College !
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medical tests
Can anyone tell me more about medical testing? I have been exposed to loud music in a previous work environments so I am a little concerned about my hearing damage. Does anyone know what the standard of hearing requirements are?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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I remember from my class 2 that they ask alot of questions about family history of heart disease and diabetes etc etc. The standard questions of any medical. From what I can remember they have a breathing test for your lung capacity, a urine test, and then they test your balance by making you stand (in your underwear) with two feet infront of each other eyes closed and you have to go up and down. It's super embarrassing. I know for a class one you have to have really good hearing, but I'm not sure about class three. Sorry!
Has anyone who just sat there test last week got their results back?
Has anyone who just sat there test last week got their results back?
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for a class 3 medical you are required to undergo the same tests as the class 1 i.e ecg, full audiology & opthamology in addition to the class 2 tests.
The only real difference between the class 1 & 3 medical is the validity period i.e. 2 years instead of 1 year for the class 1 and the fact that with a class 3 you can have some medical conditions that preclude a class 1 as long as they are managed.
The only real difference between the class 1 & 3 medical is the validity period i.e. 2 years instead of 1 year for the class 1 and the fact that with a class 3 you can have some medical conditions that preclude a class 1 as long as they are managed.
