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Old 30th November 2008, 20:22   #1801 (permalink)
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Stage 3

Can anybody give me a heads up on different scenario's thrown at you in the interview?
  • Plane crash off end of runway
  • Planes not wanting to change FL's when heading towards each other.
  • T/D/S
Any others?

Appreciate it.

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Old 1st December 2008, 11:05   #1802 (permalink)
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Question Hi guys...

I've just discover this forum after my S1 (london 28/11/08) and i think my motivational test was not good... Somebody knows value of each test for general mark and how much they expect to pass S1?

Thanks so much...
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Old 1st December 2008, 11:27   #1803 (permalink)
 
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Arrow

check your pm's shugs
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Old 1st December 2008, 11:43   #1804 (permalink)
 
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could just be slow, but still nothing glasgowgirl.....
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Old 1st December 2008, 16:00   #1805 (permalink)
 
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Failed the personality questionnaire. What a thing to fail on ey!
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Old 1st December 2008, 17:03   #1806 (permalink)
 
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I'm really sorry to hear that mate... makes me even more afraid of the darn thing.
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Old 2nd December 2008, 03:07   #1807 (permalink)
 
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Sad times golf You're having a rough ride!

Saizen, I believe the motivation test pass mark is 70% and the aptitude tests might be slightly lower. I only answered 2/3- 3/4 of the cubes paper and passed, so make of that what you will.
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Old 2nd December 2008, 13:58   #1808 (permalink)
 
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I know ar ni, I know! Failing this personality test is hard to take but there's always light at the end of the tunnel! When I was originally told I failed S1 I came up with a cunning plan, I'm going to continue with that plan! Failing an answerable test, e.g. a maths test, is easy to take, well I have never failed a test in my life (that I know of anyway ) but whenever I've done not as good as I thought I should it's been easy to take because I know I just haven't put the work in, case and point - revise harder! But how do I get better at a personality questionnaire?!?!

On the PQ I always tried to answer the same as I'd answered the time before, if you've done it you know that it is about 10 statements repeated over and over but just re-worded! I didn't want to come across as a liar so if I'd clicked "I like working with numbers" as my "Most Likely" once, I would pretty much click it everytime I saw it until it clashed with another statement I'd already clicked as "Most Likely" - I then got in a pickle! I guess it probably made me look like a "Narrow" person, I don't really know though.

Thanks for the help guys and gals!

Also to anyone doing Stage 1, I only did 27 out of 40 cube questions and I passed - but I do think I did well on all the other parts.
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Old 2nd December 2008, 20:06   #1809 (permalink)
 
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Thank you

Just sat my stage 3 and found out I got through!
I'd like to thank everyone who gave me advice for preparation to all the stages. Roll on the medical.
AndyC
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Old 2nd December 2008, 21:01   #1810 (permalink)
 
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Congrats Andy ... I'm still biting my nails waiting on the news...

Website still saying "Booked for interview" so they've not updated that either....

I hope this isn't as bad a sign as I am leading myself to beleive =\
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Old 3rd December 2008, 11:46   #1811 (permalink)
 
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stage 2

got thru!!!!!!!! woo hooo!!!!!!!
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Old 3rd December 2008, 12:04   #1812 (permalink)
 
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just found out i passed S2 so happy!!!

well done glasgowgirl
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Old 3rd December 2008, 13:17   #1813 (permalink)
 
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so chuffed, hope the others were successful too.
not quite sunk in yet!!!!
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Old 3rd December 2008, 13:43   #1814 (permalink)
 
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Well done!
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Old 3rd December 2008, 15:32   #1815 (permalink)
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stage 3

first time caller, regular listener....

got through stage 2 and going to london next friday for stage 3, anyone got any tips or advice for me? all and anything welcome

anyone from last thursday morning session find out too?

cheers
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Old 3rd December 2008, 16:09   #1816 (permalink)
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I unfortunately came across this forum after my S1 on 10th Nov. I have since found out i failed but just had a quick question....I had only read over the ATC information a few times and so when it came to the test knew very little of what was required. Would i have been better to leave blank what i didn't know? It's just i feel i did great in the aptitude bits and the ATC part was my big downfall.

Would they ever overlook bad results in one if you do very well in another?

Only 11 months until next years S1.....

Thanks
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Old 3rd December 2008, 18:17   #1817 (permalink)
 
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hello again guys, just looking for yet more advice.

Am through to S3, dont have a date yet but not until January.

I am aware i will be given hypothetical ATC questions, to see how any thought procees work. Just wondered, preferably from an ATC involved in the process, if my answers had to be right, or if they could be completely wrong as long as they were well thought through?

They are after all looking for potential, as opposed to folk who know all the answers already?

cheers
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Old 3rd December 2008, 19:09   #1818 (permalink)
 
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I had only read over the ATC information a few times and so when it came to the test knew very little of what was required
P-P-Powerbook;

This undoubtably was your biggest downfall - You need to memorise the booklet and know it inside out. Full stop. If you don't put the effort in at this stage, then you certainly will not get far if you ever make it to the college! (MATS pt 1 - joy!)

If you feel that you did well in the other tests, then good on you - most people find those the scariest and hardest to pass!

Reference pass marks - I believe that you have to get a certain pass mark in ALL the tests to be considered for the next stage.

Put this all down to experience - take what you have learnt and use it for your application next year. Use this next 11 months wisely too - get as much exposure of Aviation and Air Traffic that you can - it will all count favourably in the interview process, especially that "So, what have you done in the last 12 months since your last application" question in the stage 3 interview.....because all the best pass second time!
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Old 3rd December 2008, 19:24   #1819 (permalink)

 
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Powerbook...

Bamboozle speaks a lot of sense................

Shugs,

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I am aware i will be given hypothetical ATC questions, to see how any thought procees work. Just wondered, preferably from an ATC involved in the process, if my answers had to be right, or if they could be completely wrong as long as they were well thought through?
The idea is to find out how you make decisions, not how good an ATCO you already are.

Therefore some scenarios might not be ATC based, and that they will be dynamic, i.e. they will change in response to what you say.

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because all the best pass second time!
Ahem.
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Old 3rd December 2008, 19:31   #1820 (permalink)
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I have got my stage 3 in London next Fri 12 Dec. I am getting a little worried now! haha.

Im hoping for a bit of Christmas cheer and a nice present from Father NATS!!!

Hopefully visiting Prestwick and Newcastle will stand me in good stead. I would also like to put out my thanks for all the great help this forum has been and to all the very helpfull ATC guys that have been more than happy to answer stupid questions from me!

It has got so bad that i found myself trying to ID all the planes at the airport when i went on holiday and thinking what the guys in the tower were up to...needless to say my mates were less than impressed. I shall however remain a geek for life now.

Hope to see some of you guys at london next fri

Tom

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