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Old 27th July 2008, 01:51   #1301 (permalink)
 
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Well done, I have read on this thread that most ppl feel they did really bad on the computer tests, but then go on to pass!! Good luck with stage 3!

Only 11 months and two weeks to go before I can re-sit my stage 1
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Old 28th July 2008, 19:19   #1302 (permalink)
 
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Book

At stage one, they recommended a book to read if yo passed stage one.

In my dopeyness, I forgot what it was.

Anyone know?

As for the sticky...I spent 2 bloody days wondering where the thread had gone. :-s
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Old 28th July 2008, 20:09   #1303 (permalink)
 
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EzyChic,
Probably 'Air Traffic Control' by Graham Duke (Ian Allan). Graham is, I believe, a retired civil engineer, but he really knows his stuff. This excellent book is in about it's 9th edition!
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Old 30th July 2008, 16:28   #1304 (permalink)
 
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Just completed Stage 1 this morning. I thought I was doing okay until I came up against the "CUBES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thought they were hard only completed 3/4 of the paper!
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Old 30th July 2008, 16:42   #1305 (permalink)
 
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Ronnie, when I went (back in 2001) the cube examples they showed you in the practice paper were tiny little 3x3 thingies which I had no problem with. The ones in the actual paper were misshapen monstrosities that made my brain scamper off in fear (hence a failure). Are they still big and scary or have they toned em down a bit?
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Old 30th July 2008, 16:53   #1306 (permalink)
 
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Hi Ronnie,

Well hope you get through to stage 2!!
I think everyone find them difficult.

I have my stage 1 coming up this Friday in Belfast.
Anyone else doing it in Belfast??

fingers crossed!!!
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Old 30th July 2008, 17:19   #1307 (permalink)
 
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Mishapen monsters I'm afraid! The first few weren't too bad. You get familiar with one type then they go and change them and change the layout too!!

The cubes on the Qantas document are good practice so are the cubes on the NATS practice paper. However, your brain does get a little fried when trying to answer the 40 questions.

I know what I'll be dreaming about tonight!!
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Old 30th July 2008, 19:55   #1308 (permalink)
 
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Anybody heard anything from the stage 1 day in London on the 21st July? Early days I know, but I do hate waiting.
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Old 30th July 2008, 22:48   #1309 (permalink)
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manchester?

hey anyone go to the stage 1 in manchester today, i was on the afternoon slot.
hated the cubes
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Old 31st July 2008, 00:11   #1310 (permalink)
 
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Will someone please tell us what 'Cubes' have got to do with Air Traffic Control?
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Old 31st July 2008, 08:26   #1311 (permalink)
 
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To stop attention-seeking tards like you from getting in?
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Old 31st July 2008, 10:04   #1312 (permalink)
 
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hehe! good one
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Old 31st July 2008, 11:23   #1313 (permalink)
 
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work experiance/visits

Hi.I've recently joined this forum and have just been trying to soak up the vast bank of information here. Its been really helpful. I just wanted to ask whats the best way of getting a tower visit or work experiance arranged for a few days. I live in London so ideally....if possible i'd love to visit Heathrow or Gatwick but i wouldn't know where to start/who to contact.I also live quite near to Biggin Hill airport, i've done some flying experiance days down their but i still wouldn't know exactly how to go about arranging a visit to see the ATC their.If anyone has arranged any visits to these places it'd be great if you could give me some more information. Or just general information about how others have gained tower visits.
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Old 31st July 2008, 12:38   #1314 (permalink)
 
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To quote Traffic is... ;

"NATS towers aren't always too keen to allow visitors unless they are already in the recruitment process, but still worth giving them a try. Otherwise try the non NATS towers.

For those going through the recruitment process and wanting a visit before stage 3, then it's quite easy to sort out. Either speak to HR for some contact numbers or have a look in the AIP (you can search on line for this under CAA documents) for your chosen airfield and you'll find the number for ATC. I'd recommend two if you can to get a broader picture and a better idea of what goes on."


Hope this helps!



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Old 31st July 2008, 13:25   #1315 (permalink)
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If you do try and visit a NATS tower in the London region, you're probably better off trying Stansted or Luton as they're landside as opposed to Heathrow and Gatwick, and so you dont need to go through the hassle of getting an airside pass.
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Old 31st July 2008, 18:20   #1316 (permalink)
 
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College

Hi guys,

I'm one of the lucky ones who is at NATS college now. I started at the beginning of July and to be fair, its difficult but do-able.

Just thought I would leave a post in case anyone has any questions about what college life is like etc

Fell free to pm me

Cheers

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Old 31st July 2008, 19:04   #1317 (permalink)
 
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Hey!! I had my stage 1 in manchester yesterday afternoon too!!

Im glad im not the only one that thought "what the hell" about the cubes! lol, how do you think you did in the rest of the tests??

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Old 31st July 2008, 21:30   #1318 (permalink)
 
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I've never posted on this thread before but after reading through it what feels like hundreds of times I thought I'd say a big thank you to all that have posted information on here it must have sunk in as I got an e-mail today saying I have passed stage 3!!!!! and subject to to medical/references etc. I'm in. Once again a big thank you.
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Old 31st July 2008, 23:12   #1319 (permalink)
 
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Evening all.

Been directed here as I'm facing my Stage 3 assessment next Wednesday in London. getting quite nervousnow too which isn't good. However, I did get to this stage last year so know what to expect..... doesnt stop the nerves though...

Off to Swanwick for a tour on Saturday and then Luton on Sunday for a brief tour of where my auntie works. Could prove useful.

So just thought I'd pop in and say hi!

Andi
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Old 1st August 2008, 14:19   #1320 (permalink)
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm just back from 1st Stage that took place in Belfat.
People were very nice all during the time set.

A part from that anyone who was there too today?
I'm the only black guy who was in the group, just so you know.

I found the diagramming and cubes part quite doable, don't wanna say easy 'cause I don't have my results yet.

SOME TIPs :
go to the website http://www.psychometric-success.com
they've got exactly the SAME questions that you can find in the NATS tests.
Not kidding!!!!!

the CHECKING part has 4 BIG practice set of questions (40 each), you can find them in the package named "CLERICAL".

The CUBES are in the spatial package and the diagramming are in the ABSTRACT RESONNING package.

I'm telling you, it's THE SAME TYPES of question, worth to check for revising!!!

Well obviously you have to pay something like 15£ for each package but who cares about money when there is success ahead!!!

I'll keep you guys posted about my results, hope to get through to stage 2!!!!


C y'all,

Chris
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