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Old 11th Mar 2007, 09:51   #41 (permalink)
 
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What he described is one part of three in the computer tests. I shouldn't worry too much about the maths sums if you don't have time (prioritisation and all that). You cannot prepare for it so don't stress too much and just relax. It's supposed to be hard to see how you react under pressure.

Medical will be after stage 3 and before training. Eyesight(very thorough), hearing, urine (only testing for drugs, not booze) and some nasty breathing ones. If you be male then you get your bits felt by the doctor - not the highlight of the day but it's over pretty quick.

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:04   #42 (permalink)
 
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I'm trying to think of a reason why it would be necessary to get your bits felt by the doc to become an air traffic controller.... and erm I'm stuck

mpplp, there is a course starting in July they tried to get me on to that one about 4 weeks ago (Because I would be finished uni then), but I had put on my form cant start until September so I got out of that one.. not sure if they are still trying to fill the July one.

You book the medical as usual on the candidate booker, I was offered dates for about a 2 months after I heard, hence I'm going in the Easter holidays..

Goodluckage, if you do get through, and are starting in Sept, lemme know, or anyone for that matter

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:12   #43 (permalink)
 
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There is a very good reason why a doc should 'feel' your bits.

If like alot of people you don't feel your own, then you could have a very nasty shock when you are diagnosed with a late stage of testicular cancer.

I checked my own, and I'm still here to tell my tale.

Another thing the doc looks for down there is a hernia, that's when they do the old 'cough' routine.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:14   #44 (permalink)
 
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They check almost every aspect of your health, so an examination down under can be important. I presume the thinking is that if NATS are going to spend the £250,000 (not sure about the figure) on training then they want the maximum info possible before offering employment.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:27   #45 (permalink)
 
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I also am very midly asthmatic and was concerned about that aspect of the medical - my peak flow/FEV1s are very good though (have Class 2 medical at the moment for PPL) so I reckon I should be fine.. I just hope they don't make you do the same run-around-the-building-for-10-minutes tests that class 1 pilot medicals get.. If so I'd better get practicing

The reasoning behind that sort of test, I believe, is to test your breathing when confronted with a situation where the amount of oxygen you need or can take in is changed, like in a depressurisation.. and I would hope that wouldn't apply for ATC.

My class 2 doc said I shouldnt have a problem with class 1 (for flying) anyway so I'm quite hopeful that it won't be a problem, if I get that far!!

I've not had an attack or anything ever and have never been hospitalised because of it. I think as long as you're not likely to have any problems operationally, your asthma is well under control, and a doctor can send a note which supports that then you're likely to be fine, but I'm only hypothesising.. I've read that it helps if you have a note from your GP at the time to explain your history.

Has anyone had any experience with asthma first hand in an ATC medical? Do they just check peak flow/FEV1?
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 12:39   #46 (permalink)
 
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£600,000 is the figure the going around the college.
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 17:35   #47 (permalink)
 
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I heard it was £600,000 too! Why they're investing that in me, I'll never know! lol

As for the medical, it's not too bad. It was suprisingly less difficult than I had imagined it being. Just try your best in the interviews, not worth worrying about medical as there's nothing you can do!

I really can't wait to start...I was told a start date of 21st June for the course! Why did you put off starting in June Richy?!
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Old 11th Mar 2007, 18:19   #48 (permalink)
 
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emm few reasons really, for one I would miss graduation ceremony at Uni, which I felt would be a bit unfortunate, and secondly I already had a ton of things planned for the summer ..

I did put on my application that I wasn't available to work until September so there was no problem really when it came down to it (apart from the one phone call that made me feel like I had to chose June or nothing ) hmm.

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Old 11th Mar 2007, 20:54   #49 (permalink)
 
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I couldn't wait! My graduation ceremony is at the weekend I believe so should be manageable! Anyway...I'll be around at the college...hopefully...when you start!
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Old 12th Mar 2007, 12:04   #50 (permalink)
 
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NATS interview on Friday the 9th March

Hello to everyone who was at the interview (stage 1) good luck too.
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 09:44   #51 (permalink)
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want to get some information about ATCO

hiii
this is brijesh from india, i have indian passport and i want to know that shall i get admission into nats. plz let me know, i m waiting for ur favorable responce. u can mail me on bbhagwagar@yahoo.com as well.
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 12:45   #52 (permalink)
 
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Bbhagwagar,

As part of the NATS application process you are required to produce proof of residency in the UK.
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 13:36   #53 (permalink)
 
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As part of the NATS application process you are required to produce proof of residency in the UK.
I don't think you have to be resident in the UK. You'll need a permit to work in the UK though. NATS recruit controllers that live abroad too.
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 13:54   #54 (permalink)

 
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You have to be able to live and work permanently in the UK.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:01   #55 (permalink)
 
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Im so upset. I just found out that i haven't even made it to stage 2. I'm gutted. I really thought I had done well on the tests, the mental reasoning tests were fine, the knowledge tests I knew it all as I studied my ass off and I am an aviation anorak. It's such a shame NATS do not give feedback as I cant think how i would do differently. Even if it was a numbers issue where they needed to cut some people at the outset, I would like to have been told that. Best of luck to everyone else.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:09   #56 (permalink)

 
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Just to assuage your concerns, there are no 'quotas' or similar at work. If everyone at the first stage passes all the tests, then everyone gets to stage 2.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:16   #57 (permalink)
 
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Wink Silver Lining

The good thing about NATS is that they allow you to apply 3 times.

The thing I would be concerned about if I were you is running this race again next year [or even sooner- I dunno, ya probably COULD!].

Stage 1: get a few books that teach you to use your brain a little better in these tests/spend some dosh on those practice tests...even use shl if you want!

Spend your free time in aviation, you learn so much by just being in the scene. Even try working in aviation if you can.

But most importantly use your time productively with a focus of that final hurdle in stage 3, where they will ask you 'what you have done for a year?'...

...think of it this way- you have a year to get things right, not just for interviews but for college too.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:33   #58 (permalink)
 
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Hey Gonzo I have a [stupid] question,

Sorry to direct this question at you, but if anyone else can help... feel free to chip in:

Lets say in a 40 Question test you get through 30 questions and you are 99% sure that ALL of THOSE are correct!... The invigilator says a dreaded "2 minutes left", and you think- as it is an MCQ you have a chance to get 2 or 3 MORE questions correct of you just GUESS the rest.

Candidate A:
This person got 29 correct in the first 30 Q's...THEN got 8 wrong in the last 10. He obviously just guessed them- we do not want somebody who blags and guesses the answer... Plus, really he only got 77%

Candidate B:
gets the same score up to the point when the invigilator says "2 minutes", but then carries on as normal and spends two minutes on one question and gets it right, scoring 30 out of 40 = 75%

So although this person got a lesser score, still scored quite well, and out of those he attempted got a whopping 97%. He didnít try to blag his way through but was more concerned with doing his job well or not at all

I would assume that the MCOR sheets [or whatever you call them] are scanned by a computer/reader, but do HR analyse any information/data or is it a simple pass/fail scoring system.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:43   #59 (permalink)
 
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If its the ATC test you are talking about they are not negatively marked.....at the moment!
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 10:52   #60 (permalink)
 
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latitudehopper, Gonzo is correct there are no Quotas however if NATS get short on numbers for a course they have started to look at "just failed" candidates. Unfortunately for you this is being applied to the failures from stage 3 but you never know how desperate they will become.
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