ATC IssuesA place where pilots may enter the 'lions den' that is Air Traffic Control in complete safety and find out the answers to all those obscure topics which you always wanted to know the answer to but were afraid to ask.
Lozzo - yes it is possible to be rejected at the application form stage! I accidently put 4 GCSEs on my application form even though that wasn't the case (massive typo!) and received an email stating I hadn't got through to stage 1! A phone call later and a 2nd email was received with a different situation...thankfully!
Paperclips - thankyou! I've just booked the NATS medical - when does the CAA medical take place?
Well done. I don't think we've heard of anyone not getting to Stage 2 because of their application form, so I think you're safe as long as you meet the basic requirements.
Previous experience: Now, I don't know much about the 'new' Stage 2, but it seems less personal than the old one (ie. no questions for you as a person, they're still only interested in your brain ), but if you make it to Stage 3, your interviewers will have read your whole application before they meet you, so it's in your interests to impress them as much as possible before you even walk through that door. Once there, they'll start to ask you about what you've done in the past and then start to pick it apart (well, they did for me anyway)!
Good luck and take your time with the application form - it's usually beneficial to get someone else to read your responses too before you send it off.
If NATS are totally happy with you after your NATS medical, they might not send you straight off to the CAA, but at the moment, it seems that's happening anyway for most of us.
If there's anything NATS isn't 100% of, you'll definitely be visiting the SRG at Aviation House, Gatwick before you start at the college so that they're certain that you're ok and will get a Class 1 (ATCO) without any problems.
Once I'd had my NATS medical I got an email from HR a couple of weeks later telling me to book an appointment at Gatwick, and once you've had it, you just send them a copy of your Class 1.
Thanks Paperclip - now all I have to do is get letters of certification from all the examination boards I took my GCSEs with....some of them don't even exist anymore...aaarrgh!
T250: let's say the jolly green giant looks for a career change to become a children's entertainer. his opq asks him if he would best be described as (a) jolly (b) green or (c) giant. since he possesses these qualities in equal measure, he opts for (a) jolly - assuming the qualities of being green or giant are (via his own perception) less applicable to the post in question. this can't be viewed as tantamount to dishonesty, surely.
Got stage 2 tomorrow and im having a little bit of a stress out! ive been through the pdf so many times but i just hope i can remember all the info on it!
to anyone that has been to stage 2, how long is the motivation paper? is it multiple choice? what sort of questions did they ask?
Im not asking for the answers to be given to me, im just desperate for help and reassurance!
Well, have filled in the application form, but have a couple of questions...
- I have my optical prescription, but no info on visual acuity, did anyone else put "unknown" or similar? I assume you can sort that out later.
- I don't seem to have got anywhere near any of the word limits. I've tried to be fairly concise, but have all the information in there. Coming from an IT background I don't think it's really worth going into too much detail on the nitty gritty, but have put the general responsibilities and things I learnt (mostly the soft skills side, rather than too much technical detail). Is this what most people found?
- Finally, I am currently a contractor and my previous employer (2 1/2 years ago) went bust in a big way last year... So I've put my current contract's manager as my Employer reference, an "academic" reference from the Flight Instructor course I'm just finishing and a general Personal reference person - does this sound reasonable?
Visual acuity stuff - I had to put unknown on mine...I had nothing on my prescription relating to all necessary stuff they ask for and it was fine. If you have to go for a medical (fingers crossed you do!) you'll have to provide a full report on your eyesight dated within the last 6 months.
Don't worry about not filling in the boxes with as many characters as they allow - I didn't.
As for your references, I'm sure you'll be fine with what you have provided....
Oh well, asked to take the OPQ, so that's a start! Will get down to taking that this week. It suggest it will be up to 40minutes duration, but can any of you confirm how many questions the test is composed of?
And not to go ahead of myself, but if you make it through and are to set a date for S2 after the OPQ, how many dates can we choose from and how far ahead are they?
Kind of worrying as I now have a two week holiday coming up and wouldn't want that to stand in my way - booked it ages ago!
djnick, it's about 104 questions each consisting of 4 statements. You have to chose one that is least like you and one that is most like you. If you pass that, then there is a formal application form to submit (the usual qualifications and work experience stuff).
I assume that there will be a decent selection of dates for Stage 2 to choose from as they can't expect you not to have any holiday when the whole process is quite so drawn out!
Good Luck!
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I've got through the first stage and the OPQ, my email said that after I complete the application I'll be invited to my 2nd stage interview and computer testing, reading this thread would suggest this is no longer the case?
Could someone advise me if this email is outdated or if stage 2 is now definately a full day of computer testing?
Does the motivation paper contain questions from the document we needed to revise for Stage 1? I know most of the stuff anyway, but just wanted to check if I needed to go over this.....
Or does the motivation paper only contain questions relating to the document sent to us for Stage 2?
The motivation paper contains information from both documents (although you should have noticed quite a bit is repeated, and Stage 2 doc just goes into more detail). Know everything in both.
There's also some more sdt questions too that are a little more complicated than the ones you will have had in Stage 1, but not impossible!
Hi guys, I've been reading this forum for a while with fingers crossed but unfortunately recieved the news I knew as soon as I walked out of the test centre... FAIL!!!
Ah well at least I've got another 4 goes at it so the worst that can happen (if I dont get through at the next 3 attempts) is that I turn 30 by my last try
Do you guys know if the 12 month gap between testing is from the date I first applied or from the date I took my stage 1?
The info on my application would seem to indicate its the date I applied, also is it worth having a cheeky go at applying in say 6/8 months???
I completed my full application form yesterday afternoon, however after looking over my form again, I made a mistake, as I got confused over the 'work experience' section.
I detailed my school work experience only, whereas I have actually got a part time job too, and this is most likely going to be something I'll mention in the interview stages, more than my school work experience, although it won't be on my actual application form!
Is it worth calling HR to ask to have my application form released so I can edit it and add in my part time job details? I'm under the impression once the form's been submitted then its unreturnable!
Donners - It's 12 months from when you applied, not from when you failed, so you'll be fine to reapply quite soon by the sounds of things. What stage did you get to out of interest?
Though you say you've got another 4 goes, I thought you only got 3 goes to get through? But I'm not 100% sure on that one.
), but if you make it to Stage 3, your interviewers will have read your whole application before they meet you, so it's in your interests to impress them as much as possible before you even walk through that door. Once there, they'll start to ask you about what you've done in the past and then start to pick it apart (well, they did for me anyway)!
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