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Old 27th January 2009, 00:06   #2081 (permalink)
 
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russel and becki:

Believe me everybody hates the cubes, is like the computer test on stage 2... everybody thinks they do bad.... im sure you have done well, good luck
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Old 27th January 2009, 00:21   #2082 (permalink)
 
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ATC selection test

Hi, im 17 turning 18 in march. Does anyone know whether i can apply now?
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Old 27th January 2009, 00:40   #2083 (permalink)
 
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rossbrereton18,

The NATS careers website says (under eligibility): "Be at least 18 at the date of application."

So I'm assuming the answer is no, but you can get your application in on your birthday - although I think you might be doing other things on your 18th...!
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Old 27th January 2009, 02:10   #2084 (permalink)
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Third Stage NATS Interview

Hello to everyone, I am a first time poster here on PPRuNe. I just thought I would share my experiences regarding the NATS selection and interview process, specifically the third stage. I have been fortunate enough to have participated, within the last week, in the formal interview and team excercise held at the third stage; I have to admit that I found the process very thorough, especially the interview as mine lasted the best part of 2 hours. As I am still awaiting the results of my third stage assessment, I realise that it may be unwise to go into too much detail at this stage. I am wishing the best of luck to the two other candidates that I met on the day, I am assuming that you may be tracking this thread currently. I look forward to hopefully meeting you again on a future course! Either way, I will post the result of my third stage assessment as soon as I receive it. My fingers remain crossed in the hope that the news will be positive!!
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Old 27th January 2009, 10:00   #2085 (permalink)
 
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2 hours, woah! Do the other two candidates just sit and wait?
Mines on Friday, good luck!!
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Old 27th January 2009, 10:25   #2086 (permalink)
 
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Yup, sit and wait!!

It is part of the fun!

I was 3rd on my day, lunch was nice though!
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Old 27th January 2009, 12:30   #2087 (permalink)
 
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Assessment on Feb. 13th in Manchester

Hi all,

I'm going to the first assessment day on February 13th in Manchester. I am booked in on the morning slot (9.30-1.30) and am staying the night before in the hotel. Look forward to meeting any others who'll be there as well. Hope the preparation is going okay for the motivation paper!

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Old 27th January 2009, 12:55   #2088 (permalink)
 
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dunelmitepilot

Your profile says you want to be an airline pilot - why the change in heart?
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Old 27th January 2009, 15:37   #2089 (permalink)
 
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aewaite,

why do you think!!? 70-80k debt, spiralling global ecomony (downwards I might add) and poor job security and prospects with the new 'Flexi-Scheme' for new pilots.

ATC rules OK over being a pilot at the moment!
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Old 27th January 2009, 15:55   #2090 (permalink)
 
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All valid points, but with news of redundancies in NATS, surely nowhere is safe??

I remember the good ol' days of Woolworths, Zavvi & Wedgewood...

But seriously, is anywhere really a safe bet? (except my current job - who is recording record profits - apparently people buy more drugs when skint!)

I have 2 jobs, one a pharma manufacturer and another at a well known low price high street retailer. Have been through a "cost-saving exercise" in my pharma, and my saturday evening job is making redundancies, even after quoting a record breaking Christmas - their reason - advancement!

It appears that those who are losing money need to lose staff and those who aren't are doing it anyway, hiding behind the huge numbers such as M&S & Corus.

Anyway, little OT, so back to the original - while NATS seems like a pretty safe choice right now, will people be jumping ship to become pilots when that sector sorts out?
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Old 27th January 2009, 16:12   #2091 (permalink)
 
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My other half is a pilot and admits that recruitment is poor or non-existent at the moment, but should improve soon (and probably by the time people have finished their frozen ATPL courses).

dunelmitepilot: beware at future stages (especially Stage 2) if you pass the selection tests - there are a few questions about ambitions within aviation in general, are you a planespotter, do you want to become a pilot, etc - I got the impression that they seem to be trying to weed out those who are considering ATC because pilot stuff isn't going very well at the moment.

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade you from your NATS application, but be sure that this is really what you want to do - the interviewers seem to want to see long term enthusiasm and commitment to an ATC career, not just any career in aviation.

Good luck with Stage 1 when it comes around!
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Old 27th January 2009, 16:13   #2092 (permalink)
 
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Madhouserjd, 100% right!!!!! Still going for PPL though, hence the username!!

Paperclip810-thanks for your advice. I have been told more or less the same thing from a former airline pilot as well. I will certainly bear that in mind should I be fortunate enough to get through the upcoming stage.

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Old 27th January 2009, 16:31   #2093 (permalink)
 
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Dunelmitepilot

All the best indeed, and I am sure with your PPL a lot of the later questions will be a little easier!

I haven't completed the PPL, but I did learn a lot of the theory (weather / radio / nav) before my application, and they were very useful!
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Old 27th January 2009, 16:41   #2094 (permalink)
 
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Thanks very much for your words of encouragement!!! It's reassuring to hear that the more theoretical aspects of the PPL course may prove useful!

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Old 27th January 2009, 22:12   #2095 (permalink)
 
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Is it just me, please correct me if I am wrong, but is the way the NATS stage 2 info booklet describes the way Elevators work incorrect? It says:

When the control column is pushed forwards or pulled backwards, the aircraft will descend or climb. The aircraft in diagram 5 with the elevators set this way will pitch the aircraft's nose down and when they are set the other way the nose will pitch up and the aircraft will climb.

The diagram shows the elevators in an upright position - doesn't this mean that the aircraft's nose will pitch up and the tail down, not pitch nose down and tail up?

The way it is explained is correct (I think!) but the diagram is incorrect...is this right?

Many thanks!

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Old 27th January 2009, 22:20   #2096 (permalink)
 
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Is the personality test a definite for anyone that has passed S1?
Do the basically send it out to everyone now?
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:05   #2097 (permalink)
 
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what can i expect on stage 1 and will i get any information prior to the stage to learn?
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:05   #2098 (permalink)
 
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CJayne,

I remember seeing that. The diagram is correct (the elevators are in the up position and the arrows correctly indicate that the nose will pitch up), it is the text that is the other way around.
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:05   #2099 (permalink)
 
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Ghost: Yes - if you are doing it now... be honest
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:19   #2100 (permalink)
 
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Hi ghostUK

yes (as far as i know )the personality test is done by all who pass the initial testing. if you don't make the cut at that stage, then they don't send you the personalty thing.

presumably you are asking because you are either about to do it, or you are waiting on word on S1? if you haven't already done it, just remember (something i didn't do first time) BE 100% HONEST

rossbrereton18, S1 is the most talked about stage on this thread, there is a ton of info if you read the whole thing (takes ages but well worth it for the whole selection process). yes you get a document to learn prior to first stage, think its about 15 pages, will stand you in good stead to learn it exactly. good luck.
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